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I have been tossing the idea around for setting up some practice stands in the Pits at the range I got to, basically practice for USPSA style shooting. I have seen what the stands cost and then I would have to buy wood sticks and targets, this could get costly and I really don't have the room to transport or time to setup a bunch or stuff. I rather spend my time shooting rather then setting up and breaking down, so something simple, cheap and easy to setup and break down. So lets see some pic's or descriptions on what you may have come up with as cheap and easy alternative to production stands. We can even see some ideas on Steel setup, holders, alternate sources to making your own targets. Harry

Thank you sir. Harry

I have ones I picked up from the NRA web site during a sale, not sure if they are the a little different or the same just barged differently, but I do like them, they work well and after a minute you don't even know you have them on. Harry

I do think most trash them for the looks and price, however I know people who have bought used ones and called the company and said they had a problem with something, One person it was the sights on the gun. she had 1 of the 2 styles they had for that gun and she wanted the other ones. Another person has some small item in the trigger assembly that wasn't working right. Both of them the customer service took there information, address, confirmed the part and in less than a week they had the new parts, no questions asked, free and shipped on Hi Point's dime. Now you can't beat that. Like I said for what they cost, I would probably have one of each if I lived in a different state. Harry

Nice. Harry

Fixed that for ya. Harry

ROFLMAO Bob, they are stereo typing in this thread, you see that OLD comment also?? Harry

Now I am offended,, While I am not 50 yet I really don't plan on aging that much faster than I have been in the next few years to be considered OLD.. Remember 45 is the new 30, so 50 would be somewhere between 33-34, right.... Harry

Ok folks, most of the people in here when at the range or store have heard plenty of piss poor information. While this story of what happened at the range can be frustrating none of us knew the laws before we read them. or learned about them here or someplace else, so even though it's a pain on the @#! it doesn't help the shooting community in NJ to allow these miss informed people to stay that way. Think of this as an opportunity to educate and help all of us, because the more people who know the real laws and quit misinforming others, the better off we all will be in the long run. Here is what you do the next time, 1st off, hand him one or more of your extra NJGF targets you printed at home (you do have your targets with you don't you?) and let them know about this place, it's a great source of information, learning, and friendly with people who share the same passion, plus the URL is on the target, makes it easy. Also at the same time explaining why a particular gun or mag or what ever they think is illegal is legal, no reason for an argument, if they are willing to listen great, if not you have provided them with the resources to find out for real. Harry

You should be able to handle handguns, not unsupervised but the staff behind the counter should be able to assist you. Now while you are out there and if you have decided what caliber gun/guns you are planning on getting you may want to pick up some ammo, I'd price what you can get online shipped to your door vs what you could get it for there. You will find out guns are cheap, ammo is what costs ya. One more thing, empty your trunk and make room, for what you ask, well lets just say, I'd bet you bring more home than you planned. Enjoy, happy shopping. Harry

If you say you like the Glock 19 shoot it and see how you like it then, there is no external safety but as long as you don't pull the trigger the gun won't fire anyway, safety is on the trigger. External safety only does one thing, it make you have to move it on or off and you shouldn't have a finger on the trigger unless your ready to shoot anyway. Harry

I always keep an eye out for that deal, isn't been a few months now that they had it for that price, was nice bought a case of 22LR 2 times for $159 so I have some stock at home, but the best I have seen lately is 189 or in that ballpark, still not bad total price when you factor in shipping from other places. Harry

Look like you had a good trip, great pic's. Harry

Some games will get you killed comes to mind. Oh, and your right about the chick. Harry

Wow, very nice, I already have a .380 so I won't join in on this one, I just have to say, over the top man, very nice and hope Carma payback comes back to you in spades. Harry

Add me in the as a CZ fan, really like the way my CZ 75-TS shoots and feels, but wont object to getting a Kimber, STI, RIA or other make that I like. Harry

So how many purchase permits did your get?? Harry

Well that doesn't sound good, but did you try and call the phone, if it goes right to VM good chance it's busted and somene else isn't using it. Well as Rosann-anna-danna would say, oh you said iPad, I thought you said iPhone,,, Never mind. Harry

Nick, sorry to hear the news, my condolences to you and the rest of the family, I'm sorry there isn't something I can say to make you feel better but time will help and there is the NJGF family here that are here and with you. Harry

No you can't blame them for trying to stay out of trouble, but to make up and change what is written from what was posted that FFL's have received is an issue. Harry

Not sure, I don't think it's BS, I do think that posting it in the forum and then sending a separate PM to the seller might be a better practice and one I do, I think it not only puts a time stamp in the thread so other members who may be interested know that someone is interested in the item for sale, and the PM is best for the seller and buyer to communicate the details of the sale. Also give members the ability to post I'll be 2nd 3rd etc so if the SPF falls through there is an order of who may be next. Not that any of this needs to be written in stone or anything but think it may cause the least amount of confusion. Also that provides the most transparency for all here so no one can feel like they were passed up for a person who is a friend or more popular. Harry

Now why didn't I think of that, I like it. Harry

Thanks Nick Harry

While I agree that MOD's and Admin's should control bans, we are all adults and really we should be able to handle most situations between the 2 members. I don't think we need new or additional rules, but feel each person, both the seller and the prospective buyer should use common courtesy, especially for members who have been around here for a while. I know I have had nothing but a good experience in buying something here and I have also seen some sales where more than one person thought they were the first to respond, ie I'll take it" one person on the Forum, the other person via PM but have seen that situation worked out between the 2 people. I think Mod's and Admin's shouldn't need to referee transactions between adults. Harry

Ok this has gotten into a little battle but not a bashing thread, at least not to the extent that it is disruptive. While some say the anyone in law enforcement should be held to a higher standard, well I do feel that the LEO personally should hold themselves to a higher standard, I do not think we need 2 sets of punishments for LEO vs non-LEO. Like a coin, there are 2 sides and somewhere in the middle is the truth in most cases. Now before any of us post a bash or a strong comment lets really look in the mirror first and be realistic. Now as far as drinking is concerned, well lets be real, I'd bet at one time or another if you have ever had a drink, I'd bet if stopped you could have been jammed up and your life changed and many of the things we do and take for granted changed. Just remember how many time you have sat down and had 1 beer and thats all, for a lot of people in the lower weight bracket 2 may put you over the limit, 3 and you could be toast in the eyes of the law in regards to BAC levels. Not condoning anything, just pointing out that there may be a lot of kettles calling the pot black here. Harry