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I also believe in the 1A and as I believe you have the right to your opinion, I also and given the same right so i will ask the following: Can you please list any state that makes it easy for a restricted person to obtain a firearm?? Harry

Dave, did you read what you wrote?? I am not going to speak for everyone, but it has been proved over and over again, not just in recent history but over 100's of years, when you disarm the people you take away all the ability of the people to defend them selves. No I don't want criminals to have guns, but guess what, they will have them no matter what, and if you got rid of ever firearm that we the people have, they would make there own. Think back to school and metal shop.... I am very much PRO 2A and do support stiffer penalties for crimes for criminals(actual crimes, not HD/PP) The only thing Gun Laws do is make it harder and more restrictive for unrestricted persons to obtain them, and it make criminals day and night job's just that much easier! Harry

I figured that, thanks for clearing that up. On another note, can we use any targets other than the normal wood/cardboard ones that are there. There are some nice metal ones that are auto resetting that would be fun to shoot. I don't have any at this time, but would get a few if there isn't any rules against this practice. That should be the last question.... for now. lol Harry

As a new member at OBRPC I don't know all the in's-n-out's, can we use the Texas Star to practice with on one of the ranges? I know I didn't see it in the normal trailer that we get the target stands from and figure it's just for comp's but might as well ask. Thanks Harry

As others have said, a panel that small will just maintain the battery's and the amount of life and power and what you can run off of it in the case of an emergency isn't that great. If you don't have many problems with loosing power, a basic generator would be your best option. don't forget most power outages happen when you need power to you pump to keep you basement from flooding, so having something even a small generator for that is a good idea. They also have battery backup pumps that are quit effective. Now if you have more outages than you would like, and for longer periods of time than a whole house system is another option, not cheap even for manual transfer switches, auto transfer is a little more costly but I think if you that far in whats a couple extra bucks that one time your not home when on vacation. As far as whole house solar, for the cost of what we currently play for electricity, it's not as cost effective even with incentives as it needs to be. Now in Hawaii where my cousin lives, it's very cost effective, but his electric is 3 times what I pay here. Probably more than you wanted but, hey it's free. Harry

I figured that, wasn't a big deal, not like I'm going to melt anyway. lol Harry

I was there a little earlier than that, probably around 10AM till about 11 or there abouts. There was 1 white SUV there when I was there and a Blue Pickup was pulling in when I was leaving. Very nice place, would be nice if the canopies were up being there was a little drizzle at first, other than that, I like the place, plus I'm in Sayreville so it very close. Harry

Just had to do it... Asking or LOOKING??? Harry

Well just to update, I did go on Sunday to check the place out and I am now a member, fantastic facility and all the people I met there and the guys running the orientation were great. I went to the Outdoor range to play with my Marlin Golden 39A and figured I'd run a few down the pipe on the Marlin 336A I just picked up for PK90 (Thanks Paul) and there was 1 other person at one of the shorter ranges, I was all alone on the 100 yrd range. Packed up the wrong staple gun in my range bag and didn't have any staples so I drew a new target with a marker on some old shot up targets other people left. The next day I went to the indoor range and was alone again, was able to set up a few target at different distances and had a blast. For the folks that said not having a auto reel target system isn't so bad were right. I loved the place. It sure is different shooting alone with nobody around, was kind of nice and peaceful, that and no restriction on rapid fire were nice, also let me play with quick acquisition of target without using sites to see how I would do, not something I felt that comfortable with in a public range, you know, hate to get out of the 9 or 10 ring at 7 yards in public. Harry

Anyone catch that and post it on Youtube?? Harry

Nice, Would be good for USPSA Harry

Great write up, thanks Harry

LMAO, heck I remember growing up in Elizabeth, this happened when I was in grammar school, This kid a grade above me actually picked me up with 2 hands by my arms, like grabbing someone facing them just under the armpits. Well I locked my finger of both hands together and rapped him in the face breaking his nose, blood ll over the place, them things really blead. The next day my parents, his parents are in the principals office and she looks at us. I was about a foot maybe a little bit more shorted then the other kid, and he was also about at least 50LBS heavier than me. The principal looks at him, loots at me and laughs and to make a long story short. Nothing happened to me. Keep in mind this happened in the early 70's and things were just a tad different back then. If that happened today, who know what branch of the Alphabet squads in additions to the local LOE and SWAT team would be involved. Harry

While many of us may have done something similar and we are here to tell about it, from what I understand by letter of law this is not allowed. I will not do this any longer, I did this at the beginning of this year. This is what happened, I was going to pick up a gun I had on order, my brother in-law wanted to go to the gun shop with me and look around being I was going there anyway. Well I got my gun, drove him home and went inside to pick up my daughter that was there with her cousin waiting after a nice day in school. By the way my BIL's house and mine is on the route to my place 1 mile apart from one another. I was there for 5 minutes and went home with the gun and my daughter. Now learning what I know now from the great assistance from this very forum, I did do something that I shouldn't have. I know better now and while it's ridiculous that this is the case in NJ, I will abide by the law to the letter so I don't become an example. As far has hearing about anyone actually be arrested for this, I have not but there is a chance of it happening, how i don't know, it would really have to be a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time, one of them 1 in a million chance but I'm not going to test the waters on this again. Harry

Well that answers my question also. Harry

Thanks for the heads up, I have been to a few of those sites and had a list in my head in a few things I would like to get, and now know I'll be looking else ware. Harry

Good Choice and nice response. Like I said there is a unbelievable amount of information here and a very very good place to learn and meet new people. Harry

Tony, I'll take 1 of each and after mapping out what town you are in I can come and pick them up when they come in. I thought you were further south. For some of the folks that are further north, I get on the Parkway at the Cheesequake rest area, that's just south of the turnpike by about 3 or 4 miles. After they come in if anyone wasn't to meet up and car pool from there we might be able to work something out to save you about 100 miles round trip from there. I'll post up a day and time after Tony updates us on the order. Harry

One thing if you do install them is make sure you use 3" screws on the hinges that go into the wall, you can use them on the door also, but pre-drill the holes so you don't split the wood in the door or make a weak point for a failure. After that a good deadbolt that goes into a re-enforced striker plate. Most of the time you can do this for a couple hundred bucks installed or less if you do it yourself and it sure adds some security. Harry

Do you have a link or law that says that? Playing the devils advocate, what if you didn't know someone was a restricted person, what if they were medicated with a mental issue, with the way things are today and people pop pills for every little thing that they think is a mental disorder. What if you had someone you know and they want to go shooting with you and you didn't know about that. How would you know unless it was common knowledge that the person was a prohibited person, now yes we would know who is who for major things, but do you know everything about all your friends or acquaintances who you may invite to go shooting?? Especially places like SS who rents to people without a FID card. Harry

Kind of like, "Kills Bugs Dead" Harry

Got on a roll and a thought process, I get warmed up and there no stopping me. :icon_e_biggrin: Just ask the Wife and Kid. Harry

A lot of these started out in AZ, actually Paradise Vally to be exact from what I remember. The problem is most if not all are contract companies that rake in the money, I can't remember the split but the city and or state get very very little of the money collected. There were also as Bob said reduced time on yellow lights, trigger speed for speed cameras were not correctly calibrated and so on. Now for the other camera types .. I think they already have some of them. Harry

I'd take a minute to take a breath, step back and maybe re read the posts, maybe even look again the next day. If you frequent forums at all, there are plenty of TROLLS out there and some try and start off with post like these in these type of forums. It's not so bad with the gun forum but Biker forums there are plenty. Like this forum and the people in NJ we arn't always the nicest and are on gard a lot of the time, I guess it just come with growing up here or other have learned from living here for some time. I read the other posts, and while some of us may not have come across with a direct answer to your question or a link to the info, and let me comment on your 1 comment: When someone refereed you to the NJ Laws for Firearms, well thats exactly where we all have gotten our information from, and while there are some on here that really know the law inside and out, any advise you get here is worth what you paid for it. This forum is great for understanding the law or clearing up something that isn't fully in black and while. Nothing in this place is in the form of legal advise. Now you said what you needed to say, there were some digs and many of us are thick skinned and see how you reply. This is a great forum, and there are a lot of really great people in here and I am still learning my way around here but not forums. With that being said, come join the fun, information and lots more here, and like I would put it on my other forum groups that deal with bikes, and I would say: hey you said what you said, there was a miss understanding, we can all show our a** at time, now is the time to see how you you deal with it, balls in your court. Harry

The problem is, not for transport in PA or any other state that our FL CCW license is good for, it's more of a question of when traveling in NJ. Basically it like a race to the state line, make it and your good, but while in NJ, you have to obey the law. Some have interpreted the law as you can only travel under the exemptions and from what is written for travel to CCW out of the state really isn't covered in black and white. Like I said, if you are traveling in NJ to a range in PA you are covered for NJ and the other state you are going to. Now when you get to the PA state line you decide not to go to the range, you are now good under FOPA. It's just crazy, and yes I do travel out of state and carry and not to just carry but I have a place I am going and a reason for being there, but after reading more and more about what has happened to people and the grey areas of the laws I'll have addresses to ranges on my route no matter what direction I am going when traveling out on NJ. For instance, I'll be going to a weekend party north of New Orleans on my bike, I'll be legal in every state I go through and have printed copies of each state and possible state I may have to deviate to with me just to be safe. Harry