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"that privilege is unique among all other constitutional rights to the individual because it permits the user of a firearm to cause serious personal injury – including the ultimate injury, death – to other individuals, rightly or wrongly.” It does not "PERMIT" the user to cause injury or death. It permits the the user to defend themselves. Does he interperet the 2A as a free pass to just go shooting people? Then what would the difference be if you did it in your home or on the street? "Judge Walls’ decision sets the stage for appeals which could bring this case to the U.S. Supreme Court as early as next year." Next Year! it's only the begining of this year.

Um... Does Bill A1493 eliminate the "justifiable need " to get a carry permit or am I reading wrong? Nevermind, I missed that one line.

And why not?

Good thing it wasn't a Glock.

I have been there a few times and I am nuetral on the place. But I have noticed that guy likes to break balls with younger guys & girls. He also seems a little racist.

Funny. You never hear of people getting caught with illegal guns just the legal ones.

I want to know how many people don't get caught carrying in NY.

Watch this video of Hornady Critical Defense .380 penetrating heavy clothing into ballistic gel. This will change your mind. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhXSTqV0CT4

Yes. And they don't have to wait 30 days between purchases.

Well that changes everything. Any of those single stack 9mm will work then. I vote for the Beretta Nano. Even though its a striker fired pistol, the trigger feels like it is a DA hammer fired pistol. As far as .380 vs 9mm, either will suffice with the right ammo. I don't want to say too much because this will only start a caliber war.

I agree. S&W BG380. All those single stack 9mm you mentioned are not true pocket guns, unless you have huge pockets, like a Carhart Jacket pocket. They are on the large side. True "pocket" guns are usually found in 380 and smaller, 32's, 25's, Bobcats, Tomcats, LCP, etc. .380 Hornady Critical Defense ammo is pretty impressive, look up their ballistic gel test ontheir website. I would not hesitate to carry a .380 caliber. On another note. I have a S&W 642 Airweight J-frame that is 5-shot 38sp +p. You could probably pocket carry one of these in dress pants and/or light jacket pocket, loose jeans too, just not skinny jeans.

RTSP has one in stock. I just checked it out the other day.

PX4 is a great pistol and unique that it has a rotating barrel design. Great balance and feel. Also lightweight for it's size and design. There is a all metal version of the PX4, which is the Stoegar Cougar. Actually, the PX4 is a poly version of the Cougar since the Cougar came first. It also uses the rotating barrel design. The cougar was first made by Beretta, then Beretta sold off the the machines and rights to the Stoegar Industries. The stoegar Cougar is still essentially a Beretta. Cougar and PX4: Cougar with a Cougar:

For starters, when it becomes legal and common place to carry a gun in NJ.

It's not a dirty little secret. When the laws change and I am sure I will not be harrased for being within my rights, I will start open carrying on my property. Until then, I will just carry concealed on my property if i feel the need to.....

You could have called 911 and told them you were being harrassed by a police officer. A superior officer would have to show up.

Didn't you move to PA to avoid NJ's insane ways?

Not trying to intimidate. I am just being realistic. Just trying to save people headaches, harassment, embaressment, time, and money. LIke you said, you were treated like a criminal. And you will be treated like a criminal no matter how right you are. This is NJ, guilty until proven innocent. And no, no one would bat an eye in Texas, VA, FL etc. But we are in a State that considers guns to be taboo. I really have no need to walk around my property with a gun for all my neighbors to see. If I lived on a large property in a rural area with bear sightings being normal, then maybe. But no one would see me anyway.

Meltzers in Garfield has selection of safes on display. I think they were all in the $100-$300 range. Not huge safes, but decent size ones. Im sure they can order you bigger if you need.

You are right the law is as clear as day, and I agree with you. BUT, what is going to happen, is the nosey neighbor that does not know anything about guns (because guns are so "TABOO" in NJ) is going to call the police saying there is a madman next door in his yard waiving a gun around. At that point the entire PD in your town will be alerted, and 20 cruisers and 10 unmarked cars will come to a schreaching halt in front of your house. 30 officers will surround your house with guns drawn while your whole neighborhood looks on. You will be sitting at your picnic table cleaning your handgun with your "NJ LAW BOOK" open to the page where it states that you are totally in the right, but it will not matter. Most cops will not know NJ gun laws, they just don't deal with them enough. So, your "NJ STATUES BOOK" will mean nothing at this point.They will handcuff you and take you out front of your house and put you in the car for all your neighborhood to see. You will get a lawyer, and will get off, but it will cost you in one way or another. Im not trying to be negative, but I can see this happening very easily. Especially in a city like area where everyone is on a 40x100lot and your backyard is their backyard.

Dam. Im only a town away in Whippany. It took me 50 days just for a change of adress.

In the end you will be justified. But how much will it cost you? That is the question.

45,000rds. But who's counting.

3 weeks! What town do you live in?