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Christie wants to get re elected in NJ so he would sign another ban to get votes, but he also wants to run for president nationally so having his fingerprints on a ban would be bad for him there. So he will do what any good politician does which is use weasel words to be on both sides of the fence simultaneously. Sent from my DROID2 GLOBAL using Tapatalk 2

Absolutely. It is just a good thing to be able to tell the difference between those you can speak with and discuss things and those you can't. Dont waste your energy on the unworthy. Sent from my DROID2 GLOBAL using Tapatalk 2

If you know someone isn't going to give any credit to facts and logic, don't argue with them. It will save you a lot of stress and aggravation. Just cause you own a gun doesn't mean you have to argue with every person who disputes gun rights. Just tell them you didn't come there to argue, and be calm and relaxed and talk about something else, or don't talk at all. Be happy. They want you to look frustrated and get pissed off. If you do that, they consider that a win for them. Don't let it happen. Don't let them make you look like a crank.

Note that in the postings above, I never said to Destinydog "OK, you got it, the ammo is yours". There was never a deal. I received a bunch of offers within minutes of each other. Destinydog told me he will get back to me later today about when he could pick it up, but I never specifically agreed to sell it to him. I advised him that there was someone local who was also asking me about the ammo, and asked him when he could pick it up if I was going to sell it to him. He said he couldn't come that day. Strictly speaking, I never accepted Destinydog's offer. I never said "I will sell to you". I asked him for more information about when he could pick it up, and he gave me no concrete information. I told him of another offer from a person who was local. I ultimately accepted joemonte's offer, because he was ready to come by and buy it right then and there, and he did. I didn't back out of the deal with Destinydog because there was no deal with Destinydog. This is really ridiculous. Go buy your ammo somewhere else Destinydog. Stop making drama on this forum.

In the bottom of this posting is a copy and paste of my PM exchange with destinydog. He said "OK" when I said that I was going to sell to the guy who was right here. I don't feel like I have been unfair to anyone involved. Note destinydog never said "Hey, I was first, I can come to Jersey City on [specific date specific time]". No, he said "OK". Now he is complaining and giving me bad feedback. It was OK to him then, he didn't object then, and then afterward it isn't OK. And he says that I went back on my word? I think this is primarily because I put 1000 rounds of good ammo for sale at a reasonable price when everyone else is sold out, instead of jacking my price up a hundred bucks. This ammo would have sold for $500 easy given current availability, probably even higher than that. This is not a unique item, like a specific gun that destinydog really wanted to have or something, that cannot be replaced. This is regular commercially available ammo. If Destinydog wants Federal XM193, he can buy it at the store, same ammo. If he wants Wolf .223 55 grain FMJ, he can buy it at the store, same thing. I don't feel that this heat I am taking is justified here. My PMs with Destinydog are copied below so everything is clear and in the open. -- Destinydog NJGF Regular Premier Member 661 posts LocationMt. Olive Home Range:East Bangor Sent Yesterday, 03:04 PM Hi, I will get back to you later today with a pickup. I am considering splitting it with the second poster and sent him a PM, i know its tough to come by so why not help out another shooter. I will be in touch shortly. Reply Report kman NJGF Member Premier Member 142 posts LocationJersey City, NJ Home Range:Easton Fish and Game, PA Sent Yesterday, 03:11 PM Ok let me know. There's another guy who wants it who PMed right after you. Do you think you can get here today? I have a driveway out front of my place so you don't have to worry about parking. I'll be here all day. Text me when you know when you are coming. 201-362-1022 Reply Report Edit Delete kman NJGF Member Premier Member 142 posts LocationJersey City, NJ Home Range:Easton Fish and Game, PA Sent Yesterday, 03:13 PM Please get back to me soonest, I just got a text from someone who is in Jersey City right now and wants to pick up right now, so if you want me to hold it for you, please give me an indication you will be here today. 201-362-1022 Reply Report Edit Delete Destinydog NJGF Regular Premier Member 661 posts LocationMt. Olive Home Range:East Bangor Sent Yesterday, 03:19 PM I wont make it today. I am at work. Let me know if you plan to sell to someone else. Reply Report kman NJGF Member Premier Member 142 posts LocationJersey City, NJ Home Range:Easton Fish and Game, PA Sent Yesterday, 03:22 PM Let me get in touch with the guy in Jersey City. He's ready to come over right away. If he falls through and the ammo is still available I will let you know. Reply Report Edit Delete Destinydog NJGF Regular Premier Member 661 posts LocationMt. Olive Home Range:East Bangor Sent Yesterday, 03:22 PM OK. Reply Report

Remember as bad as this media storm seems, any federal bill has to get through the House of Representatives, and it ain't. This isn't like when Obamacare was being rammed through when both houses were controlled by the democrats. So don't let the media storm unsettle you. This might be an opportunity and I hope those who are making the decisions on our side see that. 50 state carry permit reciprocity ought to be super glued to whatever bill they put together, which will have to be very watered down indeed to get through the house of representatives. What's the worst case scenario under the current state of the House of Representatives and the Senate? MAYBE 10 round magazine limits. OK, so we got through that for a decade, and we were OK. Sucks, but just buy a lot of mags and practice changing them out. I seriously doubt there will be a turn-in. Imagine the political fallout from that. There will be a grandfathering of existing ones or it won't make it through the House of Representatives. MAYBE a federal firearm owners ID card. OK, we have that in NJ already, what's new about that? We will never get a national gun registration scheme, Canada did that for long guns and it was a disaster, they recently scrapped the whole thing. If Canada can't do it, we can't do it. There are too many handguns in the US for them to do that without everyone losing re-election. And assuming that they get all of the above through congress, somehow, Obama will have spent all of his political capital, and will probably lose the Senate in the process two years from now, and lose even more of the house two years from now. Any Republicans whose fingerprints are on this bill are going to face tough primary challenges. Life will go on. Nobody's outlook on guns has fundamentally changed here. It is just that the media is going nuts. Let them go nuts. They are just showing their true colors for everyone to see. They win if they make you lose your composure. Don't let them. Two months from now, everyone is going to be going bonkers over the debt ceiling again. The media is overplaying its hand, people have short attention spans nowadays. Go shooting. If you want to do something to put your mind at ease, put the AR down and get something with a wood stock. I personally am going full-on traditional wood and blue steel. Screw 'em. If they are going to judge your guns on the basis of esthetics, then foil their efforts by going old school with wood and steel - camoflauge to a lefty. I don't like ARs anyhow, the only reason I like them at all is because the antis hate them. I'd never trust my life to one of those jam-o-matics anyhow. If they win, we all get M1 Garands then. That will show them! Even the worst case scenario isn't bad here. So relax.

+1 for joemonte. He came right away and was great dealing with him.

Make sure to have it in a locked case for your return trip through New York City. Sent from my DROID2 GLOBAL using Tapatalk 2

Just get a cheap small stamped steel rifle safe from a big box store and bolt it to the wall in a closet through the drywall into the 2x4s and lock the closet. I use electrical tape to block all holes and weatherstripping along the door to make near airtight so you can keep silica gel in there to keep them dry. Sent from my DROID2 GLOBAL using Tapatalk 2

Join ANJRPC for what, $35 bucks, members get free phone advice from NJ gun attorneys. Call Evan Nappen. Say you are an ANJRPC member and have a question. Ask your question and get answer. Because no matter how much sense any answer you think might make, it might already have been fought over in the court and you want to know what way the court decided and do it THAT way. As for what I think, you check yes on the prior denial and then enclose the paper and note you got it overturned in court. It shows whoever you are dealing with that if they deny you, they have a suit on their hands and you don't take no for an answer, and it takes away from them the potential for denying you on the basis of false statement or nondisclosure. It shows you have nothing to hide and are a fighter when it comes to your rights. Good for you on your win! Sent from my DROID2 GLOBAL using Tapatalk 2

In the nj statute there is an exemption for carrying firearms and knives while fishing or hunting if appropriate for fishing or hunting. That is too vague for comfort for me but in the 90s my dad had his revolver with him while fishing, relying on that exemption. Who knows, could be in the 60s and 70s this was allowed. Half of the law is the unwritten rule of what police allow to slide. Not too long ago much wiggle room existed. Seems nothing is allowed to slide nowadays with zero tolerance policing in vogue. Sent from my DROID2 GLOBAL using Tapatalk 2

This is how they have their ARs in some parts of europe. Converted to bolt action with small mags. The original poster has a good point. Sent from my DROID2 GLOBAL using Tapatalk 2

Who knows? Most of the judges in NJ don't think you should have a gun at all, so you are taking your chances if you want to start making arguments like that in the court house while they are holding you on a felony charge.

If you want to see just how bad it can get, consider this - a 525 round pack of .22 LR hollow point is 525 felonies. Alternatively, and this has actually happened in this state - one loose .22 LR hollow point that fell in the car is a felony offense if found by the police. If you buy it in the store, take it directly home. If you go to the range with it, go directly there and directly back. Otherwise you are in a big jam if you get caught. I have a big problem with NJ dealers selling hollow points and giving no guidance at all. They really ought to warn you, considering how much of a jam you can get into if you buy some and then go to the mall and then to the movie theater and then to the supermarket, etc., with it in your car.

Did he fight it? Knives 4 inches or less are totally legal in NYC. Longer than that should be OK for a chef. He should fight this in court. He should join Knife Rights and tell them, they might take his case. http://www.kniferights.org/ Knife rights has been litigating knife cases in New York and has been successful in pushing back against them. They would be all over this. They have a litigation fund like the NRA does. A chef being prosecuted for having a knife? I'd get in touch with them as soon as possible!

Moving is difficult to do with family members being locked in careers and building pensions in the area. NJ would actually be a really cool state to live in if they got rid of the requirement to show "need" to get a carry permit in this state. Otherwise, the form for a carry permit is not too bad, and once you have a carry permit, the nonsense about having to go direct to and from the range with handguns is no longer an issue. All that would remain would be the stupid "assault weapon" ban law that is easily worked around by deleting bayonet mounts and flash suppressors. So this state would be just fine two years from now assuming the Supreme Court does its part to get rid of the discretionary standard for carry permits. This could not be a hypothetical but instead a discussion about how things will be two years from now. Setting aside the cost to live here, this is a really neat state - Exhibits A through Z in support of the proposition can be found in any issue of "Weird New Jersey" magazine. What would be really awesome is if someone could get a rifle range or club set up in the Meadowlands. There is plenty of room. If NJ and NY gun laws were liberalized, there would be a lot of potential members in NYC and the NYC suburbs. All that would remain is the political will to get the permit to open it. If you got the police behind it (so that, for instance, they can practice and qualify with their ARs at the range), then it is doable. Does anyone know if the NJSP or municipal police need to qualify with a rifle, or do they just qualify with handguns? If a rifle qualification became mandatory, it is funny but it might actually increase the possibility of getting a range in the Meadowlands. I know that some municipal NJ police do their rifle qualification at Easton Fish and Game but I don't know if that is a municipal requirement or a state requirement.

If you really do want to do a small part in clarifying and repealing ambiguous and unnecessary knife laws, join Knife Rights. http://www.kniferights.org/ They have already put the slap down in NYC courts on several occasions for ridiculous knife prosecutions.

That's really nice!!! The bolt must be easier to cycle with that bent bolt handle too. Do you notice a big difference with the muzzle brake?

What a slap in the face to groundhog hunters in NJ. I wonder if anyone has complained. I mean, if you pay for the license, you ought to be able to use the facilities that are funded by the license fees, to practice with the firearm you are legally entitled to use in the hunt... Sounds like a good argument there.

Wow this raises a question - does that mean a bolt action .223 rifle is ok for target practice at the NJ state hunting target ranges where supposedly only guns legal for hunting may be used? If it is legal for groundhogs.... Sent from my DROID2 GLOBAL using Tapatalk 2

The form doesn't ask if you were arrested, it asks if you have been convicted! So the answer to every question is no. The arrest is totally irrelevant. If you join ANJRPC which is like 30 bucks you can get free advice from Evan Nappen on the phone not crappy advice here. There are no questions on the form asking about an arrest, the form only asks about conviction. There is a presumption of innocence in the USA. If the Florida charges were dropped then you are totally cleared of that. Sent from my DROID2 GLOBAL using Tapatalk 2

Alternatively, you could go stealth with a nice metal toolbox with the guns in soft cases inside, and a padlock on it. It doesn't even look like a gun case from the outside, just some tools.

Also, your AR-15, is it a "Colt" brand "AR-15"? What brand is it? What model number did the manufacturer stamp on it? Because under our vague ridiculous laws the ACTUAL Colt AR-15 is illegal period, regardless of whether you have evil features on it or not. What brand and model number is it? In free states you can call it an AR-15, but if you come to NJ and go to court, you want to say "it is not an AR-15, it is a [bRAND] [MODEL NUMBER THAT IS NOT AR-15]." And as others have said, watch out about that Marlin Model 60. That isn't a theoretical warning either - a target shooter in this state has a felony conviction hung on him that was affirmed by the supreme court of the state for just that exact rifle. I won't even touch a tube fed .22 semi-auto in this state because of the chance that a prosecutor will start putting .22 shorts in it and find that it holds more than 15 .22 shorts. On the plus side, a lever action gun has no magazine limitation, and you can get a Henry rifle, made in New Jersey, that has huge legal capacity. Do you know anyone in Florida that you can leave your guns with? If you know someone well down there, it might just make sense to leave the AR and the .22 down there, and come up here with the handgun and buy whatever you want that's Jersey Legal up here.

A Florida permit is nice to have even if you never leave NJ. If actual use were the criterion for our purchases life would not be interesting. Just being able to show the permit to others, give them the tangible proof that the rest of the country considers carrying not to be a big deal, is worth it. Most people in NJ have no clue and it is nice to show them the card. Sent from my DROID2 GLOBAL using Tapatalk 2

If you do throw it, make sure to right afterward jam that flag into another gun's magwell you have till it locks up, and throw that, and then after that do it again with a third gun. That's the way it's supposed to be done!!!