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DO NOT STATE THIS!!! They did no such thing. They were voted out of Committee and must go through budget next and then floor.

Well, no surprise how the Bills are being voted out. Perhaps some sense will be had upon budgetary proportioning review, but I doubt it. There's still a long process to go, and the Assembly could actually stalemate things for awhile since the proclaim they'll not entertain without 10-round mag limit Bills. In any event, I personally feel all will be voted in favor on the floor, and ultimately all will need to be shouldered by the governor in a potential career-killing bundle.

UGH! Weinberg thanking everyone for their hard work... What hard work? They've not actually gathered FACTS and the Bills are full of language, typographical, and reference flaws. Now she goes on to spank the NRA about its lobbying, sure the NRA lobbied but Federal LEGISLATORS made the decisions - so it's our fault!?!?! Now talking about instant background checks... HELLO! NJ stop being a POCS with NICS and we are done and a cost SAVINGS to NJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now she's telling us she's going to fight for what she wants... Gee, thanks for hearing the people...

Bryan Miller probably has the biggest tinfoil hat of all... In reality, he is not the ill-informed. He is sly as a fox. He knows how to paint hysteria in the minds of masses who know no better, and becomes the pied piper...

Last fellow was off to a good start for us, but they tuned him right out with his later comments...

Would that be the new Camden County police force? Very unpopular move with that fiasco here... If there's any way you could steer clear of NJ, keep it an open option!!! Even as a LEO, you will have to get rid of a number of things I can certainly guess to be in your collection. You will get some LEO exemptions here, but duty caliber is generally the exemption and everything else you'll follow the same fun the rest of us do.... If the new Bills do get signed in, some additional benefits to LEOs and burden to the rest of us. Good luck with your move. I could see wanting to get out of Baltimore. I have projects in Baltimore and Camden City alike, and being unarmed in either is not comforting to me.

I'm glad to see Norcross forcing Bill focused-testimony from both sides. Overall, we're still not hitting the crux of TESTIMONY. We need to be talking about specific points, in the specific Bills. A few have done this, but not all. I've met Nora on several occasions and I like her, but it is true that she is not helping our side in this type of forum. Her approach is more inspirational rally, and not carefully prepared testimony. I certainly agree with her spirit, heart, and basis, but we need to remember that testifying is just that and it's no different than if you were in a court of law.

Can someone PLEASE point out in a tactful delivery that Bryan Miller IS NOT a NJ resident and has not been for YEARS! The credence given to him in NJ matters blows me away!

One of the major issues with S2723 is cost of implementation. The legislators do not understand the current process and problems, and have no idea of this real ability to implement (several admitted this very fact).

About NC... I lived there for a couple years, and some slightly incorrect information here regarding the process of pistol purchases in NC. By State Law, handguns must be purchased under permit, or alternatively, may be purchased by a resident CCW holder without permit. Each permit is good for 5 years and costs $5. Now it gets tricky... Under NC Law, there is no prescribed limit to the number of permits that can be applied for, BUT the State is perfectly ok with leaving the determination of an appropriate number of permits for any individual per application and/or permits per year up to the County Sheriff. As such it varies FAR and WIDE!!! Some counties you may apply for 3 or 5 permits at a time and then more after 30 days, some just 1 permit at a time and no more till you use it, other counties you cannot obtain more than 5 permits in a year! There's an underlying reason, in that the permits in NC technically can be accepted by an FFL for gun transfer without a NICS (their system was adjudged equivalent - that's pretty wild considering the 5 year valid span - but it's true, and now let me blow your mind - NJ's P2Ps were also adjudged the same equivalency but NJ decided belt, suspenders, and velcro approach). So, this is why firearms enthusiasts get their resident CCW because once you do, you can purchase freely any number of handguns you wish (and you also don't need a NICS with an NC CCW - most FFLs these days run anyway). I had just received my resident CCW, and was promptly transferred out of the State for my job.

Most every single one of the anti-gun right speakers were painfully mistaken and ill-informed. That particular gentleman's statistics were incorrect because he is not aware of what comprised the statistic in the first place. Might I add that EVERY statistic put forth by the anti-gun side would not withstand the scrutiny of Statistics 101 given the sample size is far too small. Then the NJ mayor up there who made the comment about Armslist was completely off-base. I could go on. This is the problem, they are ill-informed, ignorant of not only State law, but Federal law, and also the very process involved with purchasing a firearm in NJ. These things were not countered in our side's testimony, and providing testimony is to be just that - speaking to the points at hand and countering the opposing viewpoint. Any thing else gets tuned out very quickly, and that was all over Norcross' face and most of the rest of the committee. I didn't even get opportunity to speak even though I arrived by 10am and signed up for testimony, yet Bryan Miller, who lives (and has for about 5 years) in PA, has extended time and the ear of the committee. I actually stayed up overnight reading all 31 pages of S2723 and prepared a brief of the issues with it (many), and was already prepared to speak on two other but didn't get my two minutes, but I will still deliver my points to a Senator I found willing to listen and be truly educated.

What he actually said was that he didn't want it in S2723, which is full of more holes than I can count because the legislators STILL HAVE NOT CONSULTED ANYONE WHO REALLY KNOWS THE PROCESS, and that is fact. Sorry, but consulting NJ2AS and our out-of-state meddler Bryan Miller and his joined-at-the-hip buddy is not the same as seeking the advice and guidance of a licensed FFL in NJ, the NJSP Firearms Unit, or the State AG. A magazine limit Bill is still on the table, just not made it to committee yet (and hopefully won't)

Lots of new instructors in NJ... Trick is to knock out the BIT and the needed number of instructor certs for TC tract before the 2 year point.

Yes, everyone must pass through security to enter the building. It's just like airport screening - x-ray, bag check, metal detector and all.

The range is nice, but the majority of the RSOs are poor and not consistent with enforcement of rules and curbing poor behavior. I base that upon being an RSO myself. I have been swept at that range repeatedly because the skill and experience level is extremely low at the prime time for most shooters - evenings and weekends. If you can shoot mid-day, mid-week, it's fine. I you got prime time, expect a very long wait for a lane and enjoy the spectacle of shooters! Keep an eye out for the little fella (literally) with the big S&W 500 - he's obviously deep in pocket, short on sense because he absolutely cannot tame the muzzle flip (too much gun for him), sprays his targets, and looks like he got thrashed when his finishes up. Seen him there many times over 6 months when giving private instruction to a new handgun owner. Being from Turnersville, why to you want to travel so far? Desire an indoor range only?

Almost every state my work or recreation takes me. Can carry in 39 States.

Great guy and appreciate the patience closing the deal after I rolled my ankle! Couldn't have been easier. Would do business again without hesitation!

You need to look into how NJ handles being a NICS POCS. It could be that simple, but NJ decided not to let it be that simple. The Chief is well within authority as the reg is clearly written. None of us need to rehash the redundancy of it all...

You can thank the additional, poorly written amendment to the genius of Bryan Miller and the total ineptitude of the authors of these Bills to actually understand what they are trying to legislate and total lack of responsibility to seek out the desperately needed consulting expertise.

A 212, technically a 212B is the SBI background check. It's just generally called the 212/212b because it's the form used to request it and is one of several types of background checks performed. Of course it is arbitrary because as the law is written, it is up to the discretion of the issuing entity, which is the Chief. Thus, he has to answer. Oh, at one time, NONE of the permits issued by the State Police (areas without local PD) were extended. Don't know if it's still true. Anyway, it is my Chief's opinion based upon his experience that criminal history can change within 90 days such that a person is no longer qualified for a firearms purchase. Can't argue that.

fmtek, understand the frustration. I had a very similar clerk, and once I FINALLY got around her to the Chief, everything changed. He listened to me and we called the NJSP Firearms Units together. I got caught up in the PD consolidation a few years back where my original Chief and department were on top of it and fast, but they were disbanded and absorbed by the neighboring PD who was not experienced - I was even the first-ever exemption application for them even! It's all good now, even though I still get stink-eye from the clerk when I drop of an exemption application with a dozen or two handguns on it! Let me also suggest you develop a good relationship with a NJ FFL. That way you will NEVER lose a deal again! Sure, a FTF will go out the window and you'll pay for a transfer, but a good deal can be saved that way. Just to break the bad news on you, if you are needing a 212 run on you this application, the SBI Unit is taking approximately 6 weeks to process 212s right now. Very frustrating to me is that I just finally got the 3 permits (my Chief will not extend them - it is up to the issuer whether or not to) I applied for, and then after the endless wait for the 212 find the NICS actually slowed down again (contrary to expectations) and is now running 8-10 days (they were processing checks from the 20th today). This means I just got myself a permit that I won't be able to use within 90 days... UGH!

For that gun, you don't really need a true gun belt if carrying IWB. I have had, and do have a variety of gun belts from many gunleather makers, and I prefer to support the independent, 100% USA makers. With that said, if you are on a beer budget and want a HIGH quality gun belt drop Jerry Bissell a line at [email protected]. He's a one-man shop, does nothing but a single design of leather gun belt in your choice of 4 colors, a fine NC gentleman, and turns around an order FAST!

Not all of them. My local PD's form is sanitary as to specific purpose beyond verification. However, well aware this is more of the exception...

Yes.

Did Ruger finally hit numbers to overcome the Nylon 66? Hadn't looked in some time, but the Nylon was the king of .22 rifles for a long while.