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The one Assemblywoman from yesterday, whose name escapes this very second, pointed this out and how negligent legislation like these Bills will further drive people from NJ. That is absolutely correct!

Welcome. The Cherry Hill PD is one of the least friendly as I understand. Several forum members here are from Cherry Hill, and you should be able to search for some information concerning the particulars.

Welcome neighbor!

This woman sat just ahead of Gerry and I. She was escorted out very early in the beginning by the Trooper after refusing the Sgt of Arms' request to leave because she was being vocal about testimony - this was related to the farse where the Chairman was preparing to vote all Bills without even hearing us first.

I'm just logging in. After getting 3hrs sleep on Tuesday night re-reading all proposed Bills and finalizing my arguments I was up at 5am in order to meet axeman_g for the train ride up. I sat in the main room for the hearing. Yes, I testified yesterday, on multiple Bills. By the time all was said and done, I was spent. I have testified in the legislature of 5 States, and by far, this was the most disgraceful I have ever experienced, and I have been involved with some passionate legislation over the years. There is absolutely no wonder why The People's attitude and behavior changed given the intolerable disrespect of ELECTED OFFICIALS to THE PEOPLE. Somewhere they have lost their way... Respect is earned, not given, and the Committee certainly was not giving respect to the voting public who turned out in unbelieveable mass in short order! We are not servants to politicians, they are servants to The People, and as this long post included many times over, they need to learn the lesson come November. It becomes impossible to not let the enraged passion show through in testimony... Nonetheless, just because the Committee kicked the Bills to the Floor, it is not over! They must be debated and voted there. There are many steps in the process, and as others pointed out - TODAY IS THE DAY WE COMMUNICATE OURSELVES TO THE ENTIRE ASSEMBLY AND THE LEGISLATURE AS A WHOLE! Something that REALLY bothered me, and the masses that showed up were not informed of as I ultimately understood after talking to a number of folks that had been in the overflow and had been outside after you came into Room 4 - you could vote your opinion on EVERY Bill without need to provide testimony!!! The little paper forms become official record, and having ~400 or so documented objections would be amazing fodder for lawyers if/when these laws are challenged in court. Quite frankly, I believe the argument I presented on capacity has solid legal ground based upon the Supreme Court's decision, and I hope those in NYS are on the same avenue (I did notice the two Assemblyman who are lawyers actually did pay attention to my statement). Neverthless, this is not our only trip to Trenton so please fill out the forms and cast a recorded objection on Bills you are against each time you are there to support your RIGHT!

Unfortunately, I'm in Sweeney realm of District 3 and it doesn't get more anti... If it runs a long gambit, we'll need to take shifts running for coffee and pizza!

Drew, I was just trying to respond to your request for options around the request for a competing model. I singled on the price because I've seen that Kimber $300 different in NJ shops only 30 minutes apart... Anyway, between the age and popularity of the 1911 platform, you can spend as little as $700 through north of $20K! There are hundreds of considerations in-between and usually the first decision is if you're a purist or not... If you're looking to just give the platform a try, a non-purist Ruger SR1911 is hard to beat and they'll be more widely available with Ruger bringing the line up March 1 and pricing should drop back below $750. A Colt Series 70 Government model isn't bad entry either. There are options, options, and more options. If you're looking a a range around $2500, look at a Brown or Wilson Combat.

Respectfully, I disagree. There is much incorrect information being spread like wildfire. First the antis, but now amongst ourselves - that is not a good place to be if you plan to mount powerful arguments. Facts need to be checked because hearsay travels fast and then become scripture too easily in this day and age. I think S&W made themselves pretty clear when they pulled out of the PA show a couple weeks ago. We are going to need the industrial might from the likes of Remington, S&W, Ruger, Sig and all the manufacturers in the USA if this gets as ugly as Feinstein dreams unless the girth of the Red States put everything they have into an all-out battle. Shots are still being fired across bows, the big guns have yet to open fire... I truely believe government is poking with a stick and will not like what they awaken. The government is not even fathoming the depth of unintended consequences yet...

Their docket is unchanged. I don't know how they will handle this many Bills and this many people. Normally it's one Bill at a time, and testimony as such.

PLEASE fact-check before posting! S&W's invester presentation for 2013 follows the same format as 2012 and years prior. Ask an investor before you over-reach on an interpretation of a company's position that has been in the business of making firearms for 160 years... Compare 2012: http://www.scribd.co...pt-2012-Ir-Pres

wooly, The answers you've gotten are a bit trite because everyone is short on nerves... However, the way these proceedings work is that you provide testimony to support your position. The Committee may ask questions of those providing testimony. The Committee will not answer questions posed to them. As such, when you provide your testimony, you need to raise the questions you have, give your analysis, and then render your opinion of the impact/reprocussions and this should have as much fact as possible and not be hearsay or emotionally driven or the Committee members will check out. You certainly can raise a rhetorical question for the purpose of envoking thought in the Committee members... The reason you see the Bills so open-ended (which I think raises your questions) is that they're looking to push the responsibility down the line to others to figure out like the NJSP - this is one mechanic why these Bills are so very dangerous. Don't be discouraged by the responses. I have been through testimony on Bills of varying nature over many years. The fact of the matter is probably a good majority of those going tomorrow have never done this before, and you raised a question I am sure many others are wondering themselves.

kahout, many places will make prescription safety glasses and several cater to shooters. You are looking for a pair that meets ANSI Z87 or better. It's honestly the best way to go so you are not dealing with distortion through dual lenses, because even plain safety over-shields has some curvature to them. My daily glass are polycarb and I have snap on side shields for them that I wear to site and typical pistil shooting. When I'm shooting long gun, I've got my shooting glasses on which also have an opaque lens on one side as I cannot shut one eye and focus with the other for a long period without a headache, and cross-eye dominance make both eyes open a challenge.

Good read in a wide-readership venue!

Bring CASH.

This is going to be impossible to answer! I've never been party to a Committee meeting with the size of attendees we're talking, The most I've been involver with was maybe 100 people, and there was time for full testimony, but it was for ONE BIll! I've been to 70 or so through the years for different reasons. I have no idea how they plan to handle 2 dozen Bills and this many people. I would suspect that they will be forced to postpone a huge number and defer vote. If not, they people should make an incredible stink because the very point of Committee hearings are to be heard!

With the exception of something like the FN Five-Seven, the only place I truely saw hangun pricing getting silly was Gunbroker, and I say that way mostly because those selling there had stock on-hand where so many online and brick and mortar retailers were wiped out with hardly anything left in the distributors warehouses at the height. In talking to a couple contacts at the two biggest distributors, at best they were needing to increase dealer cost on handguns $30-40. I stopped in Jim Flynn's just the other day and while busy as can be, he still had pretty good selection and pricing comparable to December 3, my last time in. The only things I saw ridiculously overpriced were consignments.

At least Gunbroker prices are coming back to reality. I saw two NIB Sports (NJ-compliant even) sell for ~$800 whereas they were something like $1200 3 weeks ago!

Someone had 5.7x28 American Eagle up the other day at $3.50/rd!

Not to mention if this mess turns into lawsuits to challenge anything that passes, documentation of objections are good things to have. My fax machine saves the receipts electronically, and I've had my email set to get both delivery and read receipts. Like Maks, most of the emails are being deleted without reading, but I have the trail that says they were delivered. The legislative email system is good that way because it's been a necessary function of the system for deadline reasons... It costs me some cash, but I've been sending a round a letters at the beginning of each week Certified with Return Receipt. My own particular disappointment is the letter I received back from District 3 reps I wrote, which, in paraphrase, read that we hear you but guns fall into the wrong hands so we support more gun control. I was flat-out REFUSED a meeting to speak with my representatives about their position on gun control. That's correct, a constituent refused access to his elected representation!

You want an amazing .22 wheel? Find yourself a K22 Outdoorsman. I have a 1931 shooter that I can drive tacks with! The action is fantastic and it locks tight even at 82. It's been shot regularly its entire life.

Yes, you guys are seeing what I've been making noise over - the Bills are poorly written and dangerous as such! The ANJPRC assessment of the Bills has a number of flaws and I don't care for their approach. I prefer technical-based arguments with fact. As others have stated, FACT-CHECK and please do not use the ANJPRC's rebuttal as a script. They'll do that themselves. I do not know how they are going to handle 300+ showing up given the size of the room and severly short time they've assigned to hear these Bills ala the ramrod approach. Just remember to provide testimony you need to sign up on the sheet that's normally located on a table just inside of the doors to the room.

LOL! My wheelguns outnumber my Sigs about 8:1 and probably outnumber all my pistols 5:1...

Yes, yes, and one more yes! Get one from a quality gun leather maker where you can extra options for concealment such as additional reinforcing, hidden velcro for IWB carry with kydex holster hangers, etc.

You can't discuss a stainless 1911 and a poly Block in the same paragraph for comparison, no even in terms of gauging recoil IMO. Two very different animals! .45ACP out of a 1911 are match made. A lot of guys will fall all over for a Kimber 1911, but I personally think the standard catalogued ones are overpriced. Custom Shop ones are another matter. I have one in 10mm from the Custom Shop. You don't indicate what the price range they are asking is, so it's hard to pony up alternatives to look for or to just say snag it! I've seen the price tag on them vary as much as $300, yes $300, for the same exact model between vendors.

Called again this morning, and this time was asked if I was for or against and goodbye! My fax has been set to resend every 8 hours, and it's had to redial each number no less than 10 times this morning! Keep it up all!