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I was thinking the same thing and will be attending my town's Council meeting Wednesday night. I already know my State-level representation, District 3, is totally on-board with more gun control. UGH!

I spent better than a fifteen years carrying every day before coming back to NJ, and like you will hear from others who carry daily it depends on what your will be wearing and where you are going and doing... Another mistake new CCWers do is to cheap out on the proper carry gear, which means QUALITY gun leather. It you do not have a good gun belt, carrying will always be uncomfortable, and the right conceal holster can makes large carries comfortable! One of my regular carry guns is P220 Carry at SOB and it's not at all uncomforable. When I'm wearing jeans and untucked shirt, it's alway a 3" 686 CS-1 at 4 o'clock with two speed strips on my weak side in a carrier I had made to look like a Leatherman sheath. The smallest I carry is a .380, which allows me to wallet carry, and when I do I always have 3 additional mags with me in either a pocket holder or an IWB mag holder I had made to hold the triple just below my belt line for quick grabs. Being an instructor, I will through out that no matter what you choose to carry, make sure you train with it, especially drawing from concealment.

Unfortunately, it's impossible at times to change emotional minds with logical reason... I actually had a buddy of mine who is genuinely neutral on the subject at hand look at the Bills for Wednesday. Funny, he arrived at a majority alignment with my feelings over the Bills for much the same technical ground, which makes me feel my position is pretty good. There were 5 we didn't agree on, but after I provided education concerning firearms lingo and how the program works, we arrived at 2 with non agreement! I would say that truely sensible people can see the non-sense in these Bills. The question is whether or not sensible people are reall part of the process...

Good on you! I had heard the SBI is now taking 10-14 business days to return the 212A background checks, but your experience suggest differently - good!

Christie does not matter if there is a two-thirds majority vote! This is why every single possible NJ firearms owner who relishes that right must be heard!

Cruz of Texas has spoken that Texas is more than willing and happy to assist firearm and firearm component manufacturers and their banks in coming to the Free State of Texas. Great data point is that Texas is the only state of the US whose economy could self-sustain itself...

Vince, Tom at tkcustom is who you want to speak to. Give him a shout and he'll steer you where you need to go if he cannot help you directly. Deal in confidence with Tom!

I would submit that in the analysis they refer to bureaucracy, but we are really dealing with a bureaupathology. There really is a difference, and the "system" in New Jersey is a classic example of a bureaupathology.

This is in an effort to get one of theoe buses south.

I have to tell you that my father, uncles, grandfathers, and great uncles would roll over laughing at some of that so-called data (i.e., Gallup polls) based on their life and community experience. First, research Gallup polls and you will find many studies showing their bias due to their polling basis so the historic data is going to be skewed. Second, it all depended upon where you lived in the country. Third, handguns have become unbelieveably numerous in the last 20 years. Fourth, consider the post-Korea and Vietnam sentiment in the nation, and, well, the hippies. I can tell you my Sunday mornings as a young boy growing up in S.Jersey consisted of going to church with the family with rifles in the trunk and then heading over to USANA in Sunday best to compete in rifle and this was the norm. Guns were not hidden or taboo topics in my family. We were all taught at an early age to respect them and learn how to use them. As data, my parents were born in the late-30s, and my father a Marine gunny. I was the youngest with almost 20 years between myself and oldest sibling.

Respectfully, I would encourage everyone not to document arguments on this spreadsheet or even on this forum. No tinfoil hat here, but I can tell you this forum is read by other than firearms enthusiasts factually.

Right!?!

As the topic says, gauging interest on arranging a bus to Trenton from the S.Jersey area. Likely point for pickup would be somewhere along the northern end of the AC Expressway for convenience from Salem, Gloucester, Atlantic, Camden, and southern Burlington Counties. As it stands, I have committals from some non-forum members from the southern end here and we can get a bus down here IF there's enough interest to get it filled!

Since Orange is chiming in, I can for California. Unlike NJ, it is actually possible to get concealed carry permits in the other most stringent gun control state! Amongst other things, you must register the gun(s) you will carry, qualify with it(them), pass a psych eval, etc. Concealed carry laws in California are burdensome because it's county by county and then major cities have their own thing too. I lived in Monterey for 17 months with a project and got my permit. Was able to jump through all the hoops and have permit in hand in 5 weeks. Shame about Cali is that the Bay Area and LA stigmas are applied to the whole state when in reality the rest of the state and its people are very different IME!

I have yet to come across a NJ civilian with a carry permit! If such a fabled being exists, I would like to brush shoulders in hope of finding good fortune!

If you are going for just one of these, go with Utah, IMO, because they work to get WRITTEN reciprocity with each State. Maine is one of those where you have to have theirs if you want to carry there as they have no non-resident reciprocity. I camp there regularly and have it.

Can't say as I haven't concerned myself with the new changes in what PA will honor because I have a PA non-resident concealed carry I obtained before they starting closing the avenue to non-residents. I see it's being debated on the forum though in another post.

Cheap? No. It's one of the more expensive. However, it is an easy way to go for NJ folks where getting fingerprint cards done grows ever so more difficult. Plus, no notary, no picture, etc.

Correct, you leave it blank and include whatever CCW permit you plan to use.

You must not have the proper form for NON-resident. The pdf has both front and back as page 1 and 2: http://www.nh.gov/sa...nts/dssp260.pdf NH WILL issue to a NJ resident a non-resident concealed carry permit provided that you already have a concealed carry in another state.

Can't agree more... Only problem is that the Supreme Court of the US has ruled that the States may "regulate" firearms. What we need to do in NJ is deliver clear messages that further regulation is unnecessary and will do nothing to address the real problem at hand with the so-called crisis...

I am reposting what I said in another thread here as it seems to be growing relevant under this topic. Please take note that several Bills are well-intentioned, BUT they are so poorly written that they spell BAD NEWS for us! Prior post: Folks, we the firearms owners CANNOT leave the responsibility to fight on the NRA or the local wing, ANJRPC, or the NJ2AS... There is no possible way they can afford to fight this beast - NO WAY! Trust me; unlimited coffers do not exist from the membership and donations! Moreover, this is OUR fight - the fight of firearms-owning CITIZENS!!! By large, politicians have forgotten that government is supposed to be by the people, for the people, and many, many Americans have become complacent over too long of time and it has allowed government to run so far amuck. I urge you to actually READ the proposed Bills. Really read them. You will find that many have been rushed and cobbled together that they are particularly dangerous... Scary dangerous such as Bill A3772. Note the contradictions in the sections, and the several open-ended clauses. As currently written, it could very well CANCEL every single FPID immediately if it passes! As written, full application for a new photo FPID card would then be needed. Think of that with the Bills coming up wanting a psychological evaluation before you can have an FPID, the Bill that wants 5 references for an FPID, or the Bill than wants home inspection for an FPID... Oh, how about that they intend to raise the fees for FPID, background, and permits? This could have been an effective Bill if they simply made the new photo FPID a shall-issue for current holders pending a standard SBI 212A background check - is that 'common sense' legislation in A3772? NO. Why do you think this Bill is coming ahead of the others I mentioned - it will become impossible, or at least incredibly burdensome to get an FPID when the legislation stacks... Thus, we must fight... Right now, politicians are scared because all three SAFE meetings were not the anti-gun drum beating grounds expected. The Trenton rally, no matter how many people you want to say attended, was an ORDER OF MAGNITUDE larger than the antis' rally... Why else would the legislation come with effectively 3 business days’ notice to hearing??? It's an attempt to RAMROD it through the legislature! WE CANNOT LET THIS HAPPEN! Not all the Bills are bad, but there are enough for this Wednesday that are - severely so. Contemplate the effect the ammo purchase restrictions will do. I'm pretty sure A3754 is illegal under HIPPA, even though its intention is not afoul of gun owners. My point being is that the proposed Bills are RUSHED together and based upon BAD information, misunderstanding, and unfamiliarity with existing NJ Gun Control Laws and procedures under which FPID-holders must conform. If these Bills do not die in the legislature, you CANNOT rely on Christie potentially vetoing them because, and I did check, the NJ State Constitution allows for him to be overridden by an overwhelming majority in the legislature... If you then argue that the lawyers will then have to fight, I am certain they will, but by the time they potentially beat it, it will be too late for the former gun owners of NJ. Hence, my argument is that WE, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LEGAL, LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS OF THIS STATE WHO LEGALLY OWN FIREARMS, MUST go to Trenton and FIGHT by providing logical, informed testimony to the legislature. The antis know this and why they attend the hearings in droves. We need to be equally represented and voice our objections that address the specifics of each Bill and not just cite 2A, not just say no more Gun Control Laws but point out the flaws and problems with each Bill from the informed perspective. You must understand the process in order to fight it. I was heading to Trenton on Wednesday - totally rearranging travel I must do for work - before hearing about the free bus rides... With the additional incentive, I really hope to see many of you there to stand with me.

Gerry, I will likely take the train up too.

Nephew says all the CCI was bought out...