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I didn't think you even noticed the city with all the college girls!

Thankfully, these are just Bills, and have a long road before law. Hopefully our firearm-enthusiast-brother and sisters in Minnesota fight them!

What if I told you I had both .40 and 9, and neither are any sort of recent production? Given what's over your picture, you likely know what that means about mine and my .40 has it's unfired, consecutive serial number twin!

I jump on the bandwagon, P229s (as well as P228s) are excellent Sigs! E2s don't work for my hands, but that's what is great about Sigs - many options for perfect fit to the shooter! Cannot tell you how many folks want to acquire my all-stainless, no rail P229s (not happening guys/gals).

The news is lying like he!! There were more pro-gun than not by far, only two real staunch antis, and the people from Camden didn't care - they want jobs, mental health help! I can tell you what happened - news didn't want to cover it because it did not go down like they dreamed with anti-gun drums beating loudly by mass numbers! Quite the opposite. There were literally more than 1 dozen reporters from TV, radio, and the papers there at the beginning, and they largely took off by midway when it wasn't all "grab the evil black guns and hi-cap clips." Get yourself and everyone you can to the next two meeting!!!

Hope you get up there tonight! I unfortunately don't have the number because I couldn't catch all that he rattled off. I do know for fact that 3 of them in the list were. He justed wanted to drum the John Hopkins book, which je probably paid to have published himself for perfect timing...

Please also check my info from attending: http://njgunforums.c...-tuesday-night/ Ignore the Blue Jersey trash! It wasn't how the meeting went down as others have said. They are obviously aggitated because it didn't fall in line like they hoped. They wanted something more like went down in Trenton the other week. Please, anyone attending the next meetings read this great thread, jump over to mine, jump over to the one in the Bucket and go prepared.

Excellent Bob! Good for Bruce Willis! Had the benefit of meeting him in-person last year thanks to my FFL (whole different story). Rather genuine, average guy!

Who ever gave you the impression the spending stops???

Sole proprietorship currently. Ran construction business back in the 90s with an average of 30 full-time employees.

Folks, also go over in the NJ Gun Laws forum where I started the original topic for the Camden SAFE meeting - I've provided more info from my attendance.

Unfortunately, SOP in Camden and Gloucester counties for certain. Not sure where else in NJ it has stretched, but definitely in these two counties.

Yes, RiverLine HAS quiet cars during the peak (rush) hours. I know for fact as I often sit in the to do work on my way up. I hope a little rain doesn't really deflate this... A decent raincoat and umbrella makes for an easy fix!

Quick brief about the Camden meeting, but first I want to encourage EVERYONE who can attend the next two to please do so!!! The Camden meeting had FANTASTIC representation from NJ gun enthusiasts from EVERY walk of life, every flavor of shooter, all age groups, and men and women alike! Testimony is being limited time wise, so please have your thoughts gathered and DEFINITELY speak! We had well-prepared speakers, and then folks motivated to speak just after listening to others - it was GREAT! There was a stronger contingent of pro-gun rights than not at this meeting. I would say for those here going to attend, try to sign up to speak a bit later so you can adjust maybe what you'll say based on hearing earlier testimony - that was working great last night! Please I ask someone here to repeat my testimony last night, which in brief, stated that NJ has the second most stringent gun control laws in the US behind California, more importantly, the laws of NJ and California are far more stringent by an order of magnitude to the majority of the US. We do not need more gun control laws in NJ, and I ask that the Committe familiarize itself with not only NJ-specific gun laws, but how they frame with respect to the rest of the country. Law-abiding NJ gun owners do not wish to be criminalized with the stroke of the legislative pen based upon the lack of knowledge of our citizens and the legislature itself concerning the gun laws already enacted in this State. The State needs to deal with the criminals it has, not make more. We law-abiding, legal, responsible gun owners are not the problem, and for those who exert it is the responsibily of law inforcement to protect us, our Supreme Court ruled more than 150 years ago that it is not the duty of law enforcement to protect any particular individual, only a duty for the general enforcement of laws. I ask this be repeated at each SAFE meeting because I can tell you factually that our politicians do not know the process for owning firearms in this State by large, and we all know the average citizen does not either. I saw this in action while in Trenton and again last night. The committee does not either, so I want them to be spurned into learning about them for realistic reporting! FYI - Fully expect to see two individuals at EACH of the remaining SAFE meetings to repeat themselves - dark haired, well dressed, wire-rimmed glasses, middle aged fellow accompanied by an older gentlemen with white hair and beard who are STAUNCH antis that came prepared peddling the compiled Johns Hopkins research on gun violence (can we all guess where it's slanted and why) and they came prepared with the list of individuals that were legal NJ gun owners who committed gun violence acts over the last several years. They left out that the majority of those acts were crimes of passion and suicides to spin it how they desired. Unfortunately I did not catch their names/affiliations, but I am certain the dark-haired gentleman is tied to Johns Hopkins because I have seen him provide anti testimony before.

Phenominal! If only one day my father's Colt would return to me...

Piers is as much as a spoiled child stomping his feet to get his way as our President...

Unfortunately, you're indicating you have to go through the NJSP for a possible extension. I have not personally heard of anyone getting an extension from them on a permit. They may, but they are historically slower with FPIDs and P2Ps than most local PDs.

NJ Hydrographics guy contact info can be PM'ed - he doesn't want an army calling to "just kick the tires" as this is his side business. Those serious about it, shoot my a PM and I will reply with his contact info.

Firmly entrenched in middle management of a worldwide firm, I can tell you that there is absolutely no way our HR or Legal Depts would permit answering of those questions concerning an employee. That is not employment verification and we would not expose ourselves to the liability. The clean way to handle this, IMO, would be to have your HR Department draft a couple sentence letter attesting to your current employment status and date of hire and send that to the PD in lieu of those questions. I suspect someone got the standard paperwork criss-crossed and sent a personal reference questionaire to your employer instead. Otherwise, they are very much uniformed about a series of law, or sly like foxes.

PLEASE COME OUT AND BE HEARD! Tuesday, February 5 from 6 to 8 p.m. at Rutgers University-Camden Rutgers Camden Campus Center Multi-Purpose Room 326 Penn Street, Camden, NJ 08102 Parking available in Lots 13 & 14 (parking is free until lots are full) Read more at Ammoland.com: http://www.ammoland.com/2013/02/nj-governor-christie-announces-public-meetings-for-the-nj-safe-task-force/#ixzz2JzqfiiuQ Myself and several other forum members will be in attendance. Firearms enthusiasts are needed in numbers at these public meetings to show that we will fight for our gun rights in New Jersey! Please come out so we can at least match numbers with the antis in attendance! The Campus Center is only one block from the City Hall Station making for easy access by train too. For those who cannot attend any of the public meetings, please email your thoughts on gun control to [email protected].

Sorry Josh, you are missing a fundamental aspect. I'm not getting into the entire back and forth here, but I would like to address this quoted portion specifically. For the record, I did have many courses in economics, and your're missing a fundamental of retail, which I can also speak directly to in having had my own side businesses. You have totally bypassed preordering of inventory and how that factors in. Having contractual agreement to deliver a certain quantity of product at a set price with a wholesale distributor. When this is done, retailers can maintain pricing for some duration to span market fluctuation. HOWEVER, a good retailer is thinking ahead towards what his next quantity of product will cost him because he wants to maintain stock, and that can force an adjustment of price with existing stock even though is was bought at an earlier, reduced price. Now even more interesting is our current situation in the firearms market where there are limited firearms available and dwindling ammunition in all calibers. How do the guys at the end, the retail stores, survive if they cannot get product to sell? They have to pay for the real estate, the utilities, and their employees! Thus, you see a cost increase in attempts to span the divide from when there is minimal product available to when product returns, and a wish and a prayer that it does! Iit might be a prayer for businesses that are nothing but firearms. Now, you've chosen to use Eric (Ammoman) as your "gouging example." Do you realize that Ammoman is a wholesale distributor as well as a retailer? Have you seen the size of his warehouse? The number of employees he has? The manufacturers have little to no ammunition for him to acquire and re-sell at either wholesale or retail basis, and his inventory is gone. Ammo is all that he does. By the arguments posed, the expectation is for him to maintain prices pre-demand-like-never-before-seen-in-the-industry and that will force him to lay off his employees and close his business even more quickly. Conversely, you then Cite Palmetto, a very large retailer with both internet and store front sales who are also more diverse and sell multiple products so their concerns for cash flow are a little different. As soon as they sell out of their supply that's locked in at a delivered price from their supplier, they will increase it (if they can get any at all), but it's more gradual because they're still making margin in other sales. Though they've increased pricing too on much of whatever AR items they can lay hands on. They will simply get pinched later by this rush market with dwindling supply, but they will get pinched.

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Couple weeks old, but who cares! CALL, better yet please look up the Bill, the committee hearing it, and then write each committee member!

Not so much... All the big overseas players have, but still have to deal with general shortage of material and delays associated with shipping and customs. FNH has been spitting brass out like mad for 5.7x28 and Fiocchi finishing it as quickly as possible, but won't see any on US soil till April per FNH...