jonhig

Certainly you can define legitimate vs bad...just define it. Felons-bad, mental commitments-bad, etc.

In keeping with the theme of purchasing and not the carry or cosmetics issue... doing away with the state process and only going with NICS? 2 issues that I could see, just playing devils advocate now, because I agree with your concept. What happens when I get arrested and say my name is Dan and I use your information cause I know it (I'm a coworker, or relative or what have you). I get fingerprinted and a criminal record is made in your name but with my prints. Now you head over to your favorite FFL and they run a name based NICS check. Your either pending or flat denied. Now you have an identity issue that has to be sorted out with NICS and some states criminal history dept. The second issue would be secondary sales...I sell you my 38 or I buy your shotgun...what is the answer to that issue?

I'm not sure if this has been knocked around previously, I couldn't find it on a search. However, if you had the ability to rewrite the firearms laws/process as they pertain to purchase (long gun or hand gun), what would your law/process include or remove from the existing statute? Why don’t we work within the existing framework of 2C and Brady. The idea would be to afford “legitimate” citizens a workable process and keeping firearms from “bad people”. An intelligent conversation……. Anyone?

True. However, The sitting governor authors Executive Orders that allow and disallows certain information to be OPRA accessible.

Remington and High Standard 12s

NJ NICS is $15 - Feds are free

I really don't think revenue was the main issue, but in this state everything needs funding to run. I believe it's genuine ignorance of legitimate, responsible gun ownership and use. The legislature authors laws that for the masses to make them feel good...people are scared from media onslaughts like Arizona and the Lakewood LEO murders. Both perpetrated by scumbags, not legitimate firearms owners. NJ's answer? Pass meaningless legislation. It happens for a lot of issues, not just firearms related (remember Jim Florio's "runny egg" statute?). As a side note, it's not just Democrates that play this game, Governor Christy Whitman approved NICS in NJ. Okay...off the soap box...

Vincent Van Gogh

This situation unfortunately happens...licensing agencies miss basic things like domestic violence restraining orders and out of state felony convictions but most of the time it's the databases that only NICS can access that causes the disqualification and resultant pissing match at an FFL. That's why we have the seemingly redundant processes. The NJ government, Govs Office/OAG and the Legislature didn't have the interest in amending exisiting statutes prior to 98'

because the NJs permitting process didn't meet the Brady standard and the NJ legislature wasn't interested in amending it to do so.

Bro, If your prints are in the system then you have a record. Demand that CHPD contact the NJSP and have that record redacted asap. It will haunt you in the future if you don't!

Yikes! What is that thing?

Tank you must work for the state also!

How do you like your Kahr? I was going Kahr or Kimber but Kimber was a 9 month wait.

lol...I checked Kahr availability...2 to 3 week back order. That's what I'm running into on the Inet.

That's a nice holster but I'm paranoid and used to a thumb break.

OWB...was liking the Bianchi black widow and the desantis mini slide but they're like hens teeth online. I'm looking for a good shop with an inventory. I realize Kahrs aren't the most popular weapon either...make the hunt that much more difficult.

Hey Folks, I just picked up a Kahr P9 and I'm having problems finding a decent holster. It'll be a carry weapon and I like leather...holsters. Looking for a hip pancake or yaqui style with a thumb break. Is anyone aware of a shop with a good inventory? I live in central Jersey. Thanks, John

John checking in from Whiting (Manchester). 25+ years experience w/NJSP and I've raised 2 teenagers so I have pre-existing zombie expertise!

That's outstanding!

welcome!

Not in this case but your cynicism is of course warranted...lol.

You need to contact the NJSP State Bureau of Identification in West Trenton. They will contact the locals and or the barracks that either are mis-informed or just being a PIA. Not sure on FLEs issues with ORIs and LEOs doing the printing...I would imagine it's a chain of custody thing. Easy for someone to take a blank card and have their non-felon friend slap their prints down. Anyway, contact the SBI if you run into problems in the future.

I picked up a Kahr P9 as a carry. Nice little gun, it's always a happy day when you get a new toy!

Hey Rob, New Jersey has been under contract with MorphoTrak (formerly SagemMorpho) going on 8 years or so. The purpose of state going to an outside vendor for fingerprinting for noncriminal justice licensing purpose was to relieve law enforcement from the burden of NCJ fingerprinting and allow them to do what they're paid to do. Post 9/11 saw an onslaught of legislation that required fingerprint based licensing of just about everything. Local law enforcement was severely taxed by the wave. MorphoTrak only fingerprints for NJ licensing purposes. Local law enforcement will and should fingerprint you for outside of NJ purposes on either their live scan machines, state provided ink and roll cards or applicant provided cards. Electronic transmission to out of state entities is not possible through the NJ set up. The NJSP should talk to the local PD if you give them a call and explain your situation. John