Old Glock guy

I believe they request that you keep the ammo separate from the firearm, so elsewhere in your suitcase.

Lol! I like that! Think I'm going to use it.

I know that a number of people on this board expressed some negativity toward SAPPA, mostly due to a perceived lack of information about it. Here is Dwight's blog from today. I hope people will take a look at it, as it appears to be a worthy effort. Is it guaranteed to be successful? Absolutely not, but it's the best strategy I have seen so far to overturn New Jersey's unconstitutional requirement of "justifiable need." http://www.tpath.org/it-s-about-defending-civil-rights.html

This is a fearful collection of speculative generalizations by a progressive. Despite the dateline, I'm pretty sure he (she?) is serious. As always, be sure to check out the comments. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/04/how-gun-rights-harm-the-rule-of-law/389288/?utm_source=SFTwitter

In a similar vein (but much funnier IMHO):

I DVR'd it, and have seen about 2/3's of it so far. It's very well done, using facts and logic, the enemies of liberals (or progressives, as they now prefer to be called). Unfortunately, on the Outdoor Channel it's going to mostly be seen by people like us, who already agree. It would be great to see something like that in the mainstream media.

You are definitely OK with an unloaded long gun. I believe there could be some discussion about the legality of the unloaded mags, as that appears to be a bit of a gray area.

Nice work Taipan! Sure, we could go over it and point out minor glitches, but I commend you for taking the time and effort to put that together.

That's a good point. Who exactly did Rick shoot in the head? Was it Peter or Reg? They really didn't make it clear. Thought it was a good episode. Lots of action, some resolved character development, good Rick speech, satisfying ending, and no cliffhanger.

I've generally found that checking a firearm at Newark is much more of a production than it is on the return flight from anywhere in free America.

I was at the meeting on Saturday, and had the pleasure of meeting a couple of fellow forum members, Rysdad and gleninnj. Attendance was a lot lighter than I might have imagined. They had 180+ sign up for it, had 55 confirmed, but ultimately only 25 or so of us showed up. They presented a well thought out plan. As Rysdad notes, it would be unfair to give away too much of the plan at this point. But they will be filing a complaint within the next few weeks, and it will all be public at that point. Basically, it is a two-pronged approach, involving litigation and legislation. As I understand it, the former involves bypassing New Jersey's corrupt, liberal judicial system; naming specific defendants in a systematic scheme to deprive the state's citizens of their civil rights with regard to the Second Amendment. If that is successful, they will petition to have NJ's anti Second Amendment laws nullified, and replaced with something similar to the legislation on their website. They have prepared a lengthy, carefully crafted legal brief to those ends. While I have not read the entire brief (oxymoron?), their plan sounds better than any I have heard to date. They did not ask for money, and they did not ask anyone to volunteer huge amounts of time, so I'm having trouble understanding the negativity that I'm hearing here. For those who feel unwilling to get behind this due to a lack of information, then just wait a few short weeks until the complaint has been filed, at which point it will all be in the public domain, and you can make an informed decision as to whether or not to support it.

Took the words right out of my mouth! Hey Newtonian, nice new icon! It's still scary, but not as tough to look at as your last one.

Tip of the day: DVR the show and start viewing 10-15 minutes after it begins (as I'm doing now).

Season finale tonight means we are going to sacrifice a main character or two. My predictions (and I'll admit I am awful at this): Sasha and Eugene die saving a bunch of people. Maybe Aaron goes as well.

Very nice! I've been wanting to do something like that to my Saiga.

Not that I'm particularly religious, but people are fond of saying that the Lord works in strange ways. Not sure I follow the logic of what you're saying, because centerfire cartridges are still way more expensive than .22, but if it got you into other firearms, what the hell. Have you gotten an AR yet? And 7.62 is still relatively inexpensive, so you probably need an AK as well.

Hard to be optimistic about the Ninth Circuit's mulligan. One would have to believe that they think they have enough votes to overturn the original ruling.

MG, I applaud and appreciate your efforts on this. It certainly is tough to get people together in a central location. I have had the SAPPA meeting on my radar for quite awhile, so I will be there paying close attention. As Dwight notes on that thread, it seems that they have already given this idea considerable thought and effort. I have thought about attending both meetings, but I don't think I have the mental stamina for that. So I will be with you in spirit. I hope that eventually we can merge both efforts, and bring NJ2AS onboard to get this done. We have been deprived of our RKBA in New Jersey for way too long, and at 62 years of age, I'm running out of time.

Damn Newtonian, you are a Negative Nellie! Tell you what I'll do for you. I've rearranged my work schedule for Saturday so I can make the two hour round trip to attend the SAPPA meeting. I'll pay close attention, and report back to you and anyone else on the forum who might be interested. At that point, you can decide whether or not this is something you are willing to support. To me it seems like a no-brainer. lf you were willing to meet with a bunch of guys to discuss how to initiate a project similar to this (certainly something admirable), why not hear from a group that has already done a lot of the legwork? They're not asking for any money or commitment, just some of our time to see if we deem their efforts worthy. I, for one, am eager to hear what they have to say.

I believe that my reputation here is credible. While I do not know the OP personally, from emailed blogs I have seen from him over the past couple of years, I know him to be a staunch defender of the Constitution in general, and of the Second Amendment in particular. I received word of his SAPPA project a couple of months ago, and assumed that others here had heard of it. If you go back and read my posts, you will see that I have been shouting about duplication of effort on CCW for quite some time. Finally, when I saw the NJ Gun Forums efforts coming together, I contacted Dwight to advise him that this group had no knowledge of his efforts, so I recommended that he post something here. Since our group has many questions about how to proceed with this quite worthy endeavor, and since SAPPA has already done a lot of the legwork, I would respectfully suggest that we hear what they have to say and consider uniting our efforts with theirs. I realize that some do not agree with all of it. That's why they are having a meeting on 3/18, to talk things out. This meeting was scheduled well before ours. (If people are interested, I can figure out how to forward or post emails I have received on this.) I believe their withholding of some information is not a matter of being devious, but of shielding some of their strategies from our adversaries. Feel free to post here or to pm me, or just go straight to Dwight, as he has suggested.

Good one! This did not happen on Thursday night, but was quoted from a prior discussion. Indeed, it would be incredible if we could get some new gun laws passed in NJ to move things in our favor for a change. Seems like we're always playing defense.

Seems to be a bit of confusion here. I saw that some of our members are planning an "Applied to be Denied" meeting to prepare to take on NJ's absurd "justifiable need" provision. In case anyone hasn't yet noticed, I've been shouting about the duplication of effort that I'm seeing, and how we would be stronger if we were unified. To that end, I contacted Dwight (the OP on this thread), who is one of the organizers of the SAPPA project, to inform him of our efforts, and to see if we could combine forces. Coincidentally, both meetings are scheduled for Saturday, 3/28, which I believe led Dwight to assume that our discussion of a meeting on that date was referring to that of his organization. For those who take the time to investigate, I think they will find that SAPPA is a carefully researched, well-thought out plan. I would respectfully suggest that we might be better served by throwing our efforts into that, rather than starting a separate endeavor.

There might have been more of us there than people realized. I sat in the back and took it all in without saying a word. Ogfarmer, was that you who gave that articulate discourse on why we should be allowed to have concealed carry? We met once, briefly, a couple of years ago, and I thought that might have been you. Your civil manner was in striking contrast to that of many of our 2A brethren, whose behavior I frankly found to be embarrassing. Their Tourettes-like outbursts did nothing to help the perception among many outside of our community of us as angry, knuckle-dragging savages. (Yes, I'm talking about Kaleda, for whom I had respect and admiration prior to this.) If there was some benefit to our cause of getting into a shouting match with the other side, it was lost on me. The rabbi on the panel was a voice of reason. On the other hand, Ms. Perlmutter explained to us why guns don't save lives, why they contribute to murders and suicides, why they would not protect women from domestic violence and home invasions, and on and on. I would have had more respect for her if she just went ahead and said that she did not think anyone should be allowed to own guns. The Everytown lawyer spent a lot of time explaining about how restrictions on the Second Amendment have a long and strong history. He pointed out that the debate on restrictions has intensified in the last 40 years, but did not speculate on why that might be. Could it be that defenders of 2A feel more and more threatened by ever-increasing attempts to deprive them of their rights? Mayor Fulop is clearly another government official who feels that private citizens cannot be trusted with guns. While I respect his service to our country in the military, I could not help but cringe when he started that familiar litany of how AR-15's are weapons of war that belong on the battlefields, not on our streets. Heaven help us if he becomes governor! At one point someone mentioned that at a prior panel, where the 2A people were being belligerent, Loretta Weinberg asked them to name one new gun law that they would be willing to accept. Her question would perhaps be valid if we had no other gun laws, but what she was really asking was what further restriction we would be willing to accept. And I think that is the crux of the issue, that 2A supporters feel that every tragic incident is exploited to further curtail their rights. There was no way that a panel discussion like last night was going to solve anything, but it made for great entertainment.

I've been meaning to stop there on my way up to CR, but it seems like I'm always racing to make the next target change.

Yes, that was almost exactly my experience as well. Probably only takes an extra 10-15 minutes, as you said, but probably good to allow a little more time than that, just in case.