Old Glock guy

Two new semi-hot women on TWD tonight tending to The Governor. (I'm watching on DVR.). Wonder if they make it to the end of the show?

Good story, but kind of hard to believe it's not fiction. Now if there had been a hot, love-starved lady living there, that would have really been a great teenage fantasy!

I believe Luso has this exactly right. We are not going to think up some clever new way of explaining justifiable need that will get us all approved. The point is to get thousands of denials so we can remove New Jersey's disguise as a "may issue" state, and fully expose them as the "will not issue" state that they are. I believe it's high time we go on the offensive to try to take back some our rights which have long been denied. I think NJ2AS and ANJPRC are great, but all of their efforts have been to cut our losses from various legislative pushes, while restrictions on us gradually get tighter and tighter. Don't misunderstand me, I'm happy that of the 84 or so bills introduced in our legislature this year, only a few got passed. But that's still a few more than what we had. When was the last time we pushed to get something back? With the recent rash of mass shootings, and the expansion of CCW laws in more that 80% of the other states in our nation, there is no better time than now to rally for for this. As has been noted, we really have everything to gain and nothing to lose.

As others have noted, your wife will love the SR22.

If you like the black, get it. Mossbergs and Remingtons are available all over the place. Either would serve you well. Use the search to check for previous discussions on this. Depending on the model you were viewing, that price is about average.

Welcome from north Jersey, also a member at GFH WP Range.

Check out the Crossbreed Super Tuck. I carry a Springfield XD 9mm SC in it quite comfortably (when I'm out of the PNRJ). It's a leather/Kydex combo.

Hey, this is the first I've heard of Oak Ridge Firearms. Must have missed your earlier posts. I pass by your way all the time. I'll make it a point to stop in before long.

Thanks Krdshrk. Just grabbed a couple of cases.

Not blaming them for having a FB page, but many of us who are not involved with FB would like to know how things are going.

I have used Federal Champion Value Pack ammo almost exclusively in my 10/22, and I honestly cannot recall ever having an issue in the more than two years that I've owned it. OTOH, I have a jam every mag or two with my 15-22 with the same ammo, and I have no idea why.

Anyone from here going?

I started a thread recently about FTF's with my shotgun. Come to think of it, most or all of the time when that happened, I was using Estate ammo. Could there have been defective batches? I would feel a lot better knowing it was my ammo at fault and not my guns.

Exactly! I'm a member of NJ2AS (as everyone on here should be), but I'm not on Facebook. Any way to get in on that discussion?

I have been giving this a lot of thought. It's the closest thing to civil disobedience that we can do to call attention to an unjust law, without actually breaking the law. New Year's Day falls on a Wednesday. We should try to coordinate getting our applications in within the first week afterward. I don't think we should do it quietly. Do we have any friends in the press who would give it favorable coverage? Maybe we should contact Fox News after we have a solid plan in place. Perhaps we could call Rachel Maddow. Ha,ha, just kidding! It's not going to have much impact if we have a few dozen people do it. We are going to need hundreds, if not thousands. Perhaps we could post notices at local gun shops and ranges. I really think it would be helpful if we could get NJ2AS on board with this.

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Well then perhaps I am misunderstanding out approach. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think this is about finding a new, clever wording to describe "justifiable need.". I believe that just about every approach has been tried and rejected in the past. The way I'm reading this, our strategy is to request (or demand) en masse that we be allowed to exercise our Constitutionally protected right to self defense. I would be shocked if they turned around and said, "Sure, OK, no problem." More likely, we will all be rejected, but then we will have the numbers and the ammunition to show that our rights are being categorically denied. They will no longer be able to stand behind the statistical sham that 98% of applicants are receiving their permits.

I've been thinking this exact same thing. We should put our heads together to come up with a carefully worded response that we can all use. I don't want to be so presumptuous as to believe that I have the correct response, but as a starting point, I was thinking of something like this: "In light of the recent number of mass shootings, including the scare in Paramus, New Jersey, I no longer feel safe; so I respectfully request that I be allowed to protect myself and my family, as is my natural right which is protected by the Second Amendment and is recognized by most of the other states in our nation." I realize that runs on a bit, but its just something off the top of my head that might provide a starting point.

Lol. Good answer!

My understanding of it is that as a two day class, it builds on what you learn each day. So you could probably attend just Saturday, but I think it would be tough to jump in on Sunday without having the information from the day before.

I believe he was talking about looting. Dedicated preppers like to say that looting is not a substitue for a plan. IMHO, there are roughly two possible situations for which we are prepping. The first is a natural or man-made disaster where food and other supplies could be in short supply for a period of up to a few months. Then there's the full blown apocalyptic EOTWAWKI, as it is commonly referred to. The former is far more likely, in fact even probable. Having a few months supply of freeze-dried food, water, and other supplies (with guns and ammo to defend it) should probably suffice. In the latter case, which I think most would agree is far less likely, one would need to be able to grow food, hunt, and be able to live primitively off the land. At some point one needs to decide how much time and money to devote to his preps.

Wait, so if someone breaks into my house, I not only need to cower in a corner and determine if he's armed; but now I need to check his bullets as well?

Front page article! Nice Anthony. Let's see how long it takes for The Record to endorse concealed carry, so we can have a chance to defend ourselves by shooting back.

This thread would seem to be redundant with most of what we discuss on the rest of the board.

I have some QC, along with some other first aid supplies, but I really only have a general idea of how to use them. I've been looking around for a useful first aid class (mostly trauma, as I'm already CPR certified), but have yet to find one at a convenient place and time. Any suggestions would be welcomed.