Live_Free_orDie

Army, Navy, Marine Corps, and the Air Force are in the DOD, but Congress placed the U.S. Coast Guard in Treasury because they wanted them to enforce Federal Laws. Nixon placed the CG into the DOT, and Bush placed them in DHS. The CG gets their authority to "enforce" Federal Laws under 14 USC 89. Under 14 USC 89 commissioned, warrant, and petty officers may at any time go on board of any vessel subject to the jurisdiction, or to the operation of any law, of the United States, address inquiries to those on board, examine the ship’s documents and papers, and examine, inspect, and search the vessel and use all necessary force to compel compliance. 14 USC 89 also states when from such inquiries, examination, inspection, or search it appears that a breach of the laws of the United States rendering a person liable to arrest is being, or has been committed, by any person, such person shall be arrested. So CG Commissioned, Warrant and Petty Officers are LE. The pinheads in the CG put out a message about two years ago stating their stance on LEOSA and tried to define what personnel may qualify under LEOSA. IMHO 14 USC 89 has not been changed or amended and clearly states who can enforce the Federal laws...so I think the CG SOP falls flat...as would the PD Chief's who don't agree w/ LEOSA and think they can stop their retired LE from being qual'd under LEOSA.

Nothing any of you couldn't do. It was the typical basic course of fire. Holstered and timed from abt 15yds into 3yds with reloading. Both strong and weak hand...w/night time sorta. As a matter of fact, even though I felt intimidated by the LE around me I kept it tight with my Kimber. A shooter next to me said he didn't know the CG could shoot. His target looked like he use a 12ga w/ 00 and he still passed. Lol

Really 94% non-leo approved! Wonder what my chances are? I retired from the USCG September 2012...was a qual'd Boarding Officer for 24 yrs. I fall under LEOSA H.R.218 (yes CG is LE and LEOSA does apply). Not that I neeade the NJ CCW, but to be on the safe side...I shot the required NJ course of fire, submitted the proper Ret. LEO CCW paperwork along with the two types of payment back in late October. It's March...and I ain't heard jack! No approval or denial. I'm going to have to re-qual next month if this takes any longer.

If based on the valid and logical arguments from Gura...we win. If based on Judges not wanting to upset the apple cart...NJ wins. My gut...the Judges do not upset the apple cart. Sorry..logic never ever seems to win.

I "neead" to say...most of you on this forum appear to be more intelligent than the AAG.

Can you say Nepotism...it's alive and well in NJ.

When I first started to listen to this I thought they were being very hard on Alan Gura. Then I listened to them with the AG and thought...OMG is this a joke? Is she really a lawyer and this unprepared? The one Judge asked her some solid questions and she just started to babble. The older Judge tried to step in and rehabilitate her but she didn't take the lifeline. BTW, WTH is "neead"? Anyway, I think we have a good shot. If I'm wrong and these Judges fall on the side of the State after her horrendous argument...I'll give up on the system. Wish us luck! SAF Life Member, NRA Member, Oathkeeper, NJ2AS member, ANJRPC member, Veteran, Nam Knight and a Plaintiff Appellant. μολὼν λαβέ

Two more years until I retire...then I move and take my tax dollars with me!!! <<<stuck here because of my job.

Flash Tweet RINO Christie @GovChristie and let him know how you feel about our 2A Rights in NJ being legislated from the bench!

GOOoo!!!! Even if you have to sit on the Judges lap<<< kinder gentler gun community

Somebody is lucky I'm not carrin' my gun! Oh wait I forgot...I live in NJ..."No gun for you"

No Problem...just happy to clarify.

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT DISTRICT OF NEW JERSEY JEFFREY M. MULLER; DANIEL J. PISZCZATOSKI; JOHN M. DRAKE; GREGORY C. GALLAHER; LENNY S. SALERNO; FINLEY FENTON; SECOND AMENDMENT FOUNDATION, INC.; and ASSOCIATION OF NEW JERSEY RIFLE & PISTOL CLUBS, INC., Plaintiffs, v. THE HON. PHILIP J. MAENZA, in his Official Capacity as Judge of the Superior Court of Morris County; THE HON. RUDOLPH A. FILKO, in his Official Capacity as Judge of the Superior Court of Passaic County; THE HON. EDWARD A. JEREJIAN, in his Official Capacity as Judge of the Superior Court of Bergen County; THE HON. THOMAS A. MANAHAN, in his Official Capacity as Judge of the Superior Court of Morris County; COL. RICK FUENTES, in his Official Capacity as Superintendent of the New Jersey State Police; CHIEF FRANK INGEMI, in his Official Capacity as Chief of the Hammonton, New Jersey Police Department; CHIEF RICHARD COOK, in his Official Capacity as Chief of the Montville, New Jersey Police Department; and PAULA T. DOW, in her Official Capacity as Attorney General of New Jersey, Defendants.

I believe it's in U.S. District Court in Newark

September if we're lucky! I predict Walls won't care that Dow makes a ludicrous argument, or that her brief's read like a first year law student (being gracious) wrote them...and will find for the State.

I'm still trying to figure out the whole CCW under LEOSA thing and how it squares Constitutionally. What makes retired LE any different than any other Law Abiding U.S. Citizen, other than the fact that they have a stronger lobby than the NRA and SAF? They no longer have Law Enforcement powers, they’re unsupervised and do not receive any mandated annual training (Physical/Tactical/Weapons). Are they a different protected class of U.S. citizen and where is that class defined under the Constitution? Are their lives and the lives of their families more important to protect than ours? Does crime only happen to jump out at them when they are not in their homes? If crime does happen to them, can’t they expect the same Police response that we’re afforded? It all makes me sick!!!

You can add Private Detectives into that list too.

This State sucks!!! What makes law abiding citizens in bordering States like Pennsylvania and Delaware any different than the law abiding citizens of NJ?

In this State you have to prove you've been murdered three times before they'll give you a CCW and that's only if you know OWN a Democrap Judge or Politician. Thanks...that's what I meant to say.

I respect cops too and they respond as quickly as humanly possible, but they can't be everywhere, except on the GSP or Turnpike. :-) BTW, I told one of the town cops...if you get a report my Alarm is goin' off, just bring a body bag....

I know that was the ruling...but Ms. Paula apparently sees it different (like everything else in her response), so maybe someone should sue the State, and use her words against her.

I predict...In 3 years, I will be moving out of one of the most corrupt and highly taxed States in the Country (have to wait until I retire). I have a FL non-resident CCW and all I had to do was send my App w/a check, fingerprint card, passport photo, and my DD-214. In this State you have to prove you've been murdered three times before they'll give you a CCW and that's only if you know a Democrap Judge or Politician. BTW the way I read the AG's ludicrous first argument...the State is responsible for our safety...doesn't that open them up to lawsuits if the Police fail to protect, like they failed in the Petit murders in Connecticut? Also I fully agree with a past post, the last response from the AG, although not much better, was written by someone else.

Isn't this already in the hands of Clinton appointee Judge, William H. Walls?