AverageJoe

Heres something interesting. Looks like USA Ammo pulled the new 9mm 115g FMJ off their site. When I try to use the direct link to the page via my history, it redirects me to the Home page. Unless they're out of stock and removed the page? Heres whats offered in their 9mm http://www.usaammo.com/9mm-C8.aspx Another thing, when I try to call the main number on their site 218-464-4776, it gets forwarded to a different number 936-366-6777 with a generic not available msg. Yes, the bullets actually appear to be what you described...cast then plated. But I'm no expert. PM Sent.

Ok, I finally got a caliper and scale. Here are some findings. Bullet diameter at the edge of the case: USA .352-.354 WWB .353-.354 Over All Length: USA 1.135 WWB 1.166 Weight: One for one they weight the same 12 grams each. 10 USA 118 grams 10 WWB 120 grams Thats as far as I went. I guess next step would be to pull a few apart and see whats goin on inside? You're about a 40min ride...whats your sched look like tomorrow? I'm on nights this week and next so any time before 12 would be good. Appreciate the offer. EDIT: Still no reply back from USA Ammo. I sent a follow up email. Also tried calling again w/o an answer.

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Still no response back yet from USA Ammo. I did take another pic, one each side by side. USA Ammo on the left, WWB on the right. Just visually inspecting, it looks like the USA Ammo is of lesser quality. Might be hard to tell from the pic, but the bullet itself looks like it has cellulite with all the dimples and markings that are on them. Almost as if its a softer material. Some even appear to not all be the same shape, like some are just slightly "off" or something. The WWB just looks quality, very smooth and even all the way around. Bah, I knew I forgot something. Have to get a small digital too. On a side note, anyone in the NNJ area have the set up and know how on how to break this all down, I have beer lol. Both are 115g.

So taking a closer look between the USA Ammo and Winchester White Box...there is a height difference. The middle rounds on both pics are the USA Ammo, and the outer rounds are WWB. Not sure if this makes a difference or not? I went and picked up a caliper today but I don't like it, gonna return it tomorrow and get a diff one.

It was. My FFL was unable to find one(at the time). Ended up buying it off a friend of mine. He rarely used it and when he told me he was gonna sell it I hung up the phone and handed him cash before he could finish his sentence lol. Dealers who are saying they are not legal need to be informed. They are 110% Jersey legal, as the gun it totally inoperable when folded.

I called earlier this morning, no answer, left a vm. They have my email and my vm...I'll give them till about Thursday till I try back. Yep, I'm picking one up tomorrow. Still, the proof is on the paper that something is def wrong with the ammo. They have the pics.

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I have not checked anything. I personally don't have the tools not the know how yet to do so. Appreciate all the replies, looks like the general consensus is pointing to a def ammo issue. Hopefully I hear back from USA Ammo tomorrow, see what they say.

Whats up all...couple of months back I purchased 500 rounds new 9mm from USA Ammo. Recently I started using some and at the same time I thought I might of been a little rusty...today my buddy finally said WTF is wrong with you? lol Told him, Dude, I know whats going on but theres no way I'm this bad...and why the f are alost of the hole ripped top to bottom or vice versa. He gives me 15 rounds of his Speer ammo and blamo, much tighter grouping and nice piercing through the paper. I'm using the G19. So then I gave him some USA Ammo to try in his Beretta...and same thing, sorta all over the place and paper ripping. It almost seems as if the bullets are "tumbling" if thats possible. I went and sent USA Ammo an email regarding some concerns, waiting on a reply back. Not sure if anyone has experienced anything like this? First pic is the USA Ammo...2nd pic Speer...both out of the G19 at 10 yards.

Gift cert to Jim Flynn's Truck Repair, Midway Range bag in olive drab and a KJW G23 Airsoft to mess around with.

Yes. Info on their web site and their facebook page.

Yea this was my first attempt...the "prototype" if you will. I'll see how long this lasts, tweak things as I go lol. Commented on the sand below. Was gonna do that, my buddy has his filled with sand and still tops over with a little wind. Somehow I would find a way to crack the pvc and leave a sand trail lol. Thats another idea as well. I try to stay away from cement, unless I need to make a pair of shoes

Everything was around $50-55...elbows alone were 6 ea, doh. Also picked up a piece of 2x2x8 and a pvc primer/glue kit.

My first attempt at a home made stand. 2" PVC w/2" cast elbows for weight. PVC is connected to the cast elbows via 2" threaded male adapters. The uprights are not glued in so I can take them out and store the frame under my work bench.

Already on my Christmas list.

Yea, forum post much faster lol...Email or call them direct prob be the best way to get an answer from them.

The lights above each port are also dim-able. Another cool feature is each firing lane has its own light on each target. If your the only one there shooting, only your lane is lit and the rest are dark. Pretty bad a$$.

Its very spacious. They def paid attn to a lot of detail...Especially between the doors to get into the range from the showroom. Those doors are set up cool too...the 2nd door won't open until the first door closes, in either direction(in or out). But yea, you're not gonna feel like you're about to knock everything over if you sneeze holding your stuff lol. Also, the building they're in is bigger than the actual range/showroom, so theres def room for expansion in the future should it be warranted.

Sure...I asked Brad if it was ok to snag a few pics... http://s356.photobucket.com/albums/oo8/cakes206/RTSP/ On a side note I think I might come down with a cold on Tuesday...cough cough...might have to call out sick lol

Yes, just call them up.

Call up Jim Flynn's Truck Repair(google it), little far for us NNJ folk(def not close to 287 lmao) but worth it.

I wanted to jump in and say thank you to RTSP crew. Me and my buddy Jason stopped up there last night to get pics taken for membership and to check it out. I couldn't be happier about this facility and the people I met within RTSP(so far only met 2 lol). Brad is good people and really open to ideas. Just from talkin a little bit they got some really cool ideas in the works on hopefully being able to stand out from other ranges, and I hope it works for them. I applaud Brad and the rest of the RTSP crew for sticking out the long drawn out process in being able to turn your dream into reality for not only yourselves but for us. Looking forward to the opening. For those that haven't been there and are on the fence about it, take a ride. Check out the place and get to know the people, voice some opinions, concerns, ideas etc in person with them rather through the internet, its much more effective. Thanks again RTSP. I think it took me approx 15min from 287 during rush hour traffic. It may seem far with the hills and lights on Rt.10, but its not, IMO it's close.

$8 a slice for non members.