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+1. Selection, and especially price is fantastic online. I think I saved $3-4 on a box of federal .22lr ammo on Cheaper than Dirt.

And again, the Laurel Springs police station, about 3-4 blocks away at most, took 40 minutes to arrive, at which point the situation had managed to be diffused. I don't remember HOW it was diffused, but I do know my friend's dad has a .357, and I think the threat of that alone could be enough... As for Laurel Springs police... They'll bust kids for skateboarding without helmets, or when I got in my fight (8th grade) they tried to get me to do work for the town without a trial. Pretty sure that's illegal...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AP2BjpIYJLw Supposedly some group leaked election 2012 results. Not sure if it's legit, but all you tin-hatters out there might find it interesting. Crap, you can tell I'm tired. I fell for a ONN thing XD. Just move along, nothing to see here. XD

What is a NICS anyway?

.223? I mean, I know that there are a few "handguns" that fire it, but does that make it handgun ammo? My brother-in-law just bought a .45ACP carbine today, since he essentially bought a short rifle, following that logic, shouldn't that make .45ACP a rifle cartridge?

Personally, I don't THINK he will. I could be wrong, but I mean, I think he has aspirations of moving up in the GOP. Showing himself as part of NJ's typical anti-gun roster of politicians would make him un-electable in most states, and would cost him a lot of support from various 2A groups. I imagine he's not THAT dumb to realize that that's political suicide.

Personally, I don't understand how any state can have these laws. I Louisiana you're authorized to shoot people for being on your property, or for attempted carjacking. Honestly, I'd side with that before the laws we have. First off, ours are so damn confusing, that you're likely to make a mistake, and get yourself killed trying to follow the law. As far as I'm concerned, a person revokes their rights not to have their "Thoughts behind them" (on a wall) if they decide to victimize someone. Granted, I'm HUGELY pro-victims, seeing as how I'm the victim of Child molestation, Burglary (my brother), Abuse (brother again), and all the other stuff he stole from me over the years. Not to mention the attempted carjacking when I was driving to Rowan Camden. I mean, there's no reason someone should be AFRAID of defending all that they've worked for, or their family (of course) simply because the law seems to think of self-defense as vigilantism. I respect police, however, I know that during an assault that was occuring in the next town over, they took 40 minutes to arrive. The station is 2 blocks away from the scene. My friend's dad was being harassed by their alcoholic neighbor, who ended up going after my friend's dad with a bat. I respect police, but they can't always be there when you need them. After all, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

Good taste Maksim, that's what I get. Well, as if I need an excuse to get a Vente Carmel Frap. I may be a conservative college student, but as a college student, I do love me a starbucks.

Really? I'd like to see that, that's the one handgun I actually like, besides the luger. I always thought they went for 2K.

I made a facebook group just to focus on this issue, try and reach out to 2A supporters who aren't active on messageboards. Anyway, I wanted to thank Silent Service, since I posted your form letter there, and Cemetary Bob since I copied/pasted the representatives numbers. Anyway, if you're interested in joinging the Social Media side of this thing, here you go. https://www.facebook.com/groups/345181032167418/

I doubt that the standard thug knows enough about ammunition to realize this round's capabilites. And even if they did, I doubt they'd pay the $4 per bullet it costs.

Exactly. My brother's (soon to be) father-in-law claims my 8mm can shoot through a railroad tie. Obviously, I haven't tried that out, but I have heard of K98s surfacing in Iraq, since they are capable of defeating body armor. It is my hope that if we can at least make ourselves vocal that we do not want anymore legislation, it may help turn the tide in NJ with their draconain laws. You also brought up the ammo already being banned. I mentioned this to the one woman who answered the phone for one of the assemblymen (I forget which one it was at this point) it seems they don't know that this is already on the books, and as such, cannot bring it back up. That's why it's scary. 1) They don't know the existing laws. 2) This will give them the capability to ban further ammunition. As for the 5-7, it's a really good pistol. I have an airsoft version, and if I was 21, and could afford it, I'd get one. The problem is groups such as the Brady-bunch don't realize that only specific ammo has those capabilites. Your standard copper cased lead round won't have any more effect than most pistol rounds.

It's more an issue that it allows the Attorney General to decide what is/isn't legal. It's a slippery slope scenario. Hopefully that there is where it stops.

Hope you don't mind. I took your form letter. I set up a facebook group to oppose this bill, seeing as how I know a lot of firearm owners who aren't members of the forums, or the pro-2A groups. Here's the link. https://www.facebook.com/groups/345181032167418/ Please, spread the word around, and let me know if I need anything else on there.

Here's a facebook group I made, so we can get people to fight this, even if they aren't members of NJGF, NJCCA, NJ2AS, NRA, etc. https://www.facebook.com/groups/345181032167418/

Sorry. Figures just a few minutes after posting this, I saw the post made by CemetaryBob. So who's planning on going up to Trenton on Monday?

Maybe it's already been posted, I looked for it, but didn't see any mention. Apparenlty the Attorney General is being given the authority to decide what ammo is legal/illegal in NJ. The bill is likely to be passed, and was snuck under the noses of Pro-2A groups. I believe the bill is A588. Anyone have any more info? Am I right to be worried that all firearms are essentially illegal, seeing as how they need ammunition to operate?

I have in the past. I haven't heard anything about meetings, etc. If they have meetings that aren't on nights I'm in class, or working, I'll go.

Capitilization is important. But I agree with the sentiment. I did like some of the suggestions people had, one round of rocksalt, and then the more lethal rounds. I mean, that would make it hard to argue that you didn't give them a chance. Actually most people who get killed in home invasions are most likely killed because they have a weapon, but don't pull the trigger.

Excellent example of a comment. "You can "drop" a person with a BB gun, if your shot is placed right. A .22 has more than enough stopping power for your average intruder. If your goal is a guaranteed kill, your phrasing is wrong, you live in the wrong state and I wouldn't recommend you own a gun anyway. Pain and surprise stop people; get a paint ball gun. " -Some internet dumbass. "Statistically in home defence you are more likely to be killed if you are armed. If you have to use something a bit more utilitarian a pump action shotgun. Or even something that is both effective and decorative like one of the modern Winchester remakes. I'm not a fan of hand guns for civilians. No real valid need for them in my opinion."- Internet Stats guy (where they come from nobody knows!)

That's all I've seen. I support them, and would like to join sometime down the road, but I mean, how long has the fight for CCW been going on? I really think we need to fight this not only in the courts, but to get boots on the ground. Start contacting politicians, start showing up places, show that we're serious about this. That's why they push us around, because they know we won't say anything, we'll take whatever laws they push down our throats. We may need to view though, how much time, and money has been spent on OEC. Sure, it's inconvenient that towns make us jump through hurdles to exercise our rights, but honestly, a few wins for paperwork? That's not really much of a victory to be touting. If they do have a date in Trenton, I'd be down. This is what I've been saying we have to start doing in addition to fighting this in the courts. I like the CCW fight, but it doesn't seem like it's making any grounds. I really believe it's up to us to show the politicians that we're tired of being pushed around.

The problem is tha The problem is, there aren't many "progun" candidates in NJ. The other problem is the relative apathy of the NJ gun community, IMO. I actually was going to try and raise a similar point when I went to the governor's townhall meeting the other day. The whole time they sat there and talked about having to make cuts to save money, and how he cut state employees, and things of that nature. Some people were concerned that this would lead to a cut in education spending. I was simply going to ask why we use the costly FID system when other states, without such a system, have lower gun crime than us. That money could be better spent on education, or even the roads. I think you may have come up with a million dollar idea. It seems like a perfect compromise if you ask me, it's just too bad no one will ever bring it up to our legislature, and even if they did, I doubt they'd listen. But seriously, we should at least try to do something with that idea.

I'm single, so I don't know if I talk in my sleep. I do know that I tend to sleep-eat. I've woken up to find out I made and ate oatmeal, and a few times I've left the oven on.

If he gets the nomination, I'd love to, but I'm not going to take votes away from someone who actually has a shot against Obama.

Not me. I've said it before, I'll support any rights. I'm morally opposed to abortion, but seeing as how the 9th amendment could technically protect that right, I have no choice but to accept it. Ironically, though most people hate on Ron Paul, from what I've seen, he seems to best fit a true constitutionalist. I actually am considered a "Constitutional Conservative" on the voter registration.