Kaiser7

Keep in mind, I'm no expert, and I'm incredibly pessimistic, but I doubt it'll help. We're pretty much just going to keep losing rights I think.

Lol it mentions they are going to undergo a national search for a new leader. I should try and get in. I'll have them spend their time trying to ban rubberband guns, and have it so their propaganda is at least SOMEWHAT truthful lol.

They should make an M14 shotgun. Actually, no, they shouldn't, but I'd like to see it.

I own a gun, and I don't drink. I mean, there's really no data that suggests that law abiding owners commit crimes and things, so I guess you can't fault them for relying on making stuff up.

I believe Lautenburg was talking about the annual "Gang Banger's gun fair" where all the illegal weapons law abiding citizens cannot own are sold to drug dealers, murderers, rapists, and other criminal elements.

No problem, just join up at the NJairsoftleague. There's significant cross-pollination between firearms enthusiests, and airsofters, though airsofters try not to talk about "real steel" on their boards, since they don't like the misconception that airsoft guns are considered firearms. It's been a little slow on there lately, but you can learn quite a bit and stuff, plus that's how to get out to games. Just get good eye protection, maybe even a paintball mask. I wear a replica M35 stahlhelm, goggles, and a face mask, since I had a tooth shot out.

Nice. I like both of those, but I will say the K98k got it right with the angled bolt. Straight bolts are a pain.

I was another person that misread that. I was like Oh crap.... Yeah, It would be cool to see Obama at a range or something. It would probably warm me up to him. Ha, I almost think he's the one that authorized Fast and Furious. I always toy around with politics, who knows, maybe you guys can vote for me for something someday. I think we know where my stances would be XD.

Yeah, for games though, AEGs are really the way to go, they can be a pain in the a** sometimes, but if you spend a little more for a TM, CA (though parts are hard to comeby...), KWA, or G&G you should be good. Do you airsoft or anything? If you want to play a game sometime, let me know, and I'll let you know where/when.

It really seems like pro-second amendment groups hardly have any power. Granted, the anti-folks have an easier case for their propganda. I really feel like we're only a hair away from losing our rights.

I guess they're just defensive then? I always just figured a shotgun is a shotgun. I really don't know much about them. I usually know quite a bit about rifles, just because I read a lot of stuff on them, but shotguns are by no means my expertise XD.

http://www.njairsoftleague.com/ Sign up there to learn stuff. I'm on there too. I'm Kaiser lol. But I traded an airsoft p229 GBB for a JG Bar-10, it's pretty nice, and can take anything the VSR-10 can, as it's a clone. And it's pretty much 100% identical, I think the sling mounts and stuff are different, but the internals are identical. But look on there, since there will be more information. My buddy has a REALLY good one, I can ask him about it.

So the security guard was right. And it's a good thing you told me that, I signed up on the PA gun forums, just for their marketplace, since ours tends to be a little slow. And that might be it, he's older, so maybe the name changed, or something, but it was in Philly. If you know anything let me know, he said it was like, every 2 months. I really wanted to go to VF, but I was worried about driving there, since I was afraid about getting lost. And that's funny, no out of state private purchasing, yet we aren't allowed to have gun shows. Kinda screws you both ways.

That's what I was thinking. I think once an investigation was launched, that's when they slapped the "We're tracking smugglers here!" It's worrying though that they all claim they don't know who authorized this plan. Someone HAS to know, or there is a serious problem, who follows an order for something like that without someone high up telling them to do so? Of course they KNOW who issued these orders, but they aren't saying, and I doubt we'll ever know the real answer.

That's why there's a pretty large airsoft community. I mean, I got into airsoft because I liked guns, but come from a fairly Anti-family. (Not so much truly anti, just "Not around us")

What do they usually run? I've considered getting a shotty for skeet and defense, they look like the style, and stuff I like. Not too much I can think of to ask, I mean, it's not like you can talk about rifling or anything, but if there's anything else to know about shotguns, please fill me in.

By the way, I have a question, this one security guard at my mall claimed NJ residents aren't allowed to buy from people at gun shows, something with crossing over state lines. I figured that was some bull-jive. Also, another security guard mentioned that there is one in South Ampton, at an armory. Anyone know anything about that?

Okay, now, I'm certain this has been brought up before, it is old news, but for anyone that hasn't heard about it, here you go. http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=6927 http://yesbuthowever.com/armed-mexican-drug-cartels-5000895/ Now, someone may even have suggested that which I am curious about. I almost wonder why they would arm criminals, when their whole purpose is to get rid of illegal guns. I'm starting to wonder if perhaps their intent was to help provide data, and support for the Anti-folks. After all, it's not like the government just sold the weapons directly, like they have to various 3rd world countries. They made use of straw-purchasers, buying from legitimate businesses. Since most anti-folk portray gun shows, and gun shops as the number one source for the weapons used in crime, a successful operation in this could bolster the statistics that claim that gun shops are used to arm criminals. I believe if these weapons hadn't been used in the murder of a border agent, odds are, what I said might have been the purpose. Maybe I'm just acting like a conspiracy theorist, but it seems to me that things don't add up. If they were trying to track smugglers, I'm sure there's better ways to do it than what they did, especially since they didn't track the weapons. Like I said, I'm probably wrong, but it kind of makes you think.

I whole heartedly encourage gaming the system. After all, as someone pointed out, IF any criminals sell their guns, it'll only be broken, or old ones, or ones that don't shoot since they never cleaned them, and they'll only use the money for another gun. Oh, and I must say, it was refreshing to see a liberal get put down, and asked to provide facts. He just parroted rhetoric the whole time. It brought a smile to my day.

Don't think I'm going to be able to go If anyone knows when the next show that's close to us is, let me know, I'll try and workout a way there, and stuff. I don't like traveling places like that alone the first time, because I'm crap with directions, and my GPS cable is broken.

This phrase has touched the very fabric of my soul. XD But yeah, Personally, I'd feel safer at college if I were allowed to CC, or if teachers could, but we don't allow people to defend themselves. I mean, if you're feeling too happy, and want to depress yourself, google ridiculous punishments for crimes, or something like that. I believe a few years ago sentenced a child rapist to 200 hours of crocheting.

Hey Ray Ray, I've never been a big shotgun fan, but I like those ones you have (In the picture, one doesn't have a stock, that picture) What model of shotguns are they, and what do they cost?

Umm... Not to sound like the dude from project runway, but this is not what we wanted when we asked for tacti-cool. I mean, the shells don't match, and that pattern.. ugh! Not to mention... It's a little bare? We need Lasers, flashlights, grips, skeleton stocks, and hell, an acog scope, even though it would serve no purpose. XD Just kidding.

We have a store that used to be owned by Quakers, and the next town over Was the summer home of Walt Whitman. To be honest, nothing makes Stratford famous. I was just making fun of my town lol.

If anyone is going from South Jersey, like, Camden County let me know, I'm done work at 2, and want to go Friday, but I'm afraid of driving out there by myself, since I'd be worried I'd get lost. I'll split fuel/ tolls of course.