msg73

Looking to join CR and was wondering if they will be rescheduling memberships this Sunday because of the Labor day holiday. Anyone know?

The 2100 + free ammo can for $85 is still pretty expensive compared to the 375 pack. Six 375 packs gives you 2,250 rounds for under $60...you have 150 more rounds and you can spend the remaining $25 on other things (or an ammo box if you don't have one).

Cabelas has 375 value packs of Federal Champion 22lr for $9.99 with free shipping over $150. Comes out to 2.7 cents per round.

The Northvale Rifle and Pistol club is only 15mins from me. Does anyone have any info? I heard it's only open on Wednesdays during the summer but that's ok given the short travel time.

I didn't realize that you can get 15rd mags for the M&P9 (fullsize). I thought 10 or 17 only, which is why I preferred the G19 w/15rd mags. I already have an M&P 22 that I really like, so I may just end up with the M&P 9 and get some 15rd mags. I compared my 22 to the 9 and they are virtually identical with the exception that the 9 was heavier. I went to Shore Shot and tried out a G19 Gen3 but not a Gen4 or the M&P9 (out for service). As many suggested, I'll wait until I can try both and get what feels AND shoots better for me. On another note, my friend just got is FID/P2P and really liked the feel of the Sig 226. I never handled it and he never handled a G19 or M&P 9. How would the Sig fair in the mix? Thanks, Mike

I'm looking to get a 9mm handgun and am looking at the Glock19 Gen4 or the M&P 9mm. Price is comparable, so which do you think performs better and is more reliable? I may be leaning toward the G19 because of the higher mag capacity.

Looks like 10rd mags are the max: It is a class D felony to manufacture, transport, dispose of, or possess a large capacity ammunition feeding device, which N.Y. Penal Law § 265.00(23) defines as "a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device" manufactured after September 13, 1994, "that has a capacity of, or that can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than ten rounds of ammunition." Section 265.02. Caveat: 10+ rd mags are legal if they were manufactured pre-ban (9/13/1994)

I recently got a NJ compliant M&P 15-22. Would that be legal in NY? Also, what's the deal with mag capacity in NY...10rd or 15rd max? Firing Line is only 10 min from my house and it would be great to at least be able to shoot the 15-22 there. I'll have to stick with the Bullet Hole for the HG...at least until the new range in Morris County opens up! Thanks, Mike

Thanks. Long guns are ok, correct? It amazes me how little these ranges know of the laws.

I live in Bergen County and called the Firing Line range in Pearl River NY. They said it's ok for me to bring my handgun over the border to their range. They said it's legal under one of these conditions: 1) i can bring it there for display or to sell. 2) they are certified firearms instructors and I can be taking a firearms class. Does this sound legit?

Based on the above, it should be ok to have a C02 semi-auto BB pistol that holds 20 BB's (loaded in the slide area and not a detachable mag), correct?

Just picked up an M&P 22 pistol from shore shot. Surprised they had one as there tough to find. Looks and feels great. Should be excellent to practice with cheaper ammo while having the same look and feel of it's larger bore brothers.

It was $450, which is above MSRP...supply and demand I suppose. However, I didn't pay range or rental fees and I got the member pricing on ammo. So, it ended being around $380 + tax/nics.

I was at shore shot yesterday looking to get a 22 pistol. I was thinking that I would get a Walther P22, but it was a little small in my hands and I really didn't like the way you release the mags. When putting the P22 back in the glass showcase, I saw what looked like a standard M&P 9mm but it had a 22 stamped on it. Low and behold, it was the new M&P 22 pistol hot off the mill. It looks and feels very much like it's big brothers. Mag and slide release felt like it was custom fit to my medium sized hands. I got a box of CCI's and it went through them without a hitch. Although you would expect that with CCI's...going to try some Federal Value Packs to see how they do. Also has a 12+1 round capacity, but it only comes with one mag. All in all, I love the looks/feel and think it's the nicest 22 pistol around. I was thinking of picking up a G19 as well but they didn't have the Gen4's. Now that I have the M&P 22, I'll most likely pick up an M&P 9mm next. Great way to practice using the same/similar feeling firearm without spending a fortune on ammo. Time will tell to see how it holds up.

I'm not trolling...apologize if my questions are noobish, but I'm very serious. I just want to be as responsible as I can. I don't understand why people wouldn't want to CYA. The "shoot first and ask questions later" mentality seems pretty irresponsible.

My brother-in-law is an asst prosecutor (in a different county though) and I want to use him has a reference for my FID. Is is allowed under the "no relatives" rule?

Of course if their lives are in danger, then all bets are off...do whatever is necessary. However, this doens't mean that we shouldn't be responsible to proactively do what we can to stay within the law. Wouldn't it be better if my wife shot someone defending her and the kid's lives legally without having to "deal with the lawyers" afterward? What I got from this thread (thanks to all that responded) was that 1) long guns are fine with the proper COE's filled out (both parties have FID) to legally transfer back and forth for her to use for HD and 2) it's not legal (not 100% sure though) for my wife to use my handgun when I'm not there. Please correct me if I'm wrong but if I'm home with my wife, then can she handle my handgun (ex: backing me up) as I'm with her? Or, can I take her to the range and have her shoot my HG for practice? I believe so, but not 100% sure. Thanks again.

Apologies for the noobie questions but I'm completely serious about HD and am looking to guns as a last resort. I have young children so safety and legalities are my biggest concerns. I'm completely open to other alternatives but if the intruder(s) happen to have guns then what alternatives are there? I would love it if the only time we would use our guns were at the range, but I just want to be prepared for the worst.

All BS aside, laws are laws and I want to try to follow them or stay in the "fuzzy" areas at best. I don't want to deliberately break them. I've shot 9mm and .45 pistols, rifles and various guage shotguns before and am a reasonablely competent shooter. My wife has never shot anything but is willing to learn. We both plan on getting FID/P2P, so long guns shouldn't be a problem with transfer with the proper COE's filled out (this is the "fuzzy" part I'm willing to consider). I suppose the real answer is simple...buy a shotgun(s) and have the COE's justifying legal transfer and/or buy our own handguns. I guess was just thinking of the worse case scenario where we either pull the wrong handgun mistakenly or have to pull the wrong handgun because of ours is not accessable (for whatever reason).

True, there's much subjectivity from the local PD. I probably won't put in 5 or 6 as that may seem excessive. I'll probably put in for 2 (maybe 3 max) as I think that's reasonable. I don't want to risk any red flags for hoarding weapons from my local PD. I live in Bergen County and it's probably one of the worst counties in one of the worst states regarding guns

Great idea with the shotgun. I think it makes sense to date it with the same date. Then you really can't contest it. If you're asked to provide evidence of ownership and the CoE is not dated or you're trying to fill in the date, it may look bad.

I agree it's stupid, but I don't want to risk getting into trouble. I don't mind having my wife buy her own gun but if I'm in a HD situation and I happen to pull the wrong gun when I'm confronted, last thing I want going through my mind is "$hit, I pulled the wrong gun!" I seems that it's not 100% legal to use your spouse's gun in your own home when he/she isn't present...at the very best, it's a bit fuzzy.

Thanks for the quick responses. Ok, I'll apply for both FID and P2P at the same time. Also, as djg0770 mentions, I'll apply for multiple P2P's...you never know. I'd rather have 6 and not use 5 versus having 1 and wanting more. I was just concerned that the P2P would significantly delay the FID. Thanks again! Mike

I'm looking to get a shotgun and/or handgun for HD. Just about to apply for FID/P2P. Now if I happen to go away on business and an intruder enters my home while my wife and kids are there, can she legally use my guns to defend herself and the kids while I'm away? I know one solution is for her to apply for FID/P2P and get her own gun(s) but how can we both protect our family without buying different guns? Last thing I want to do in a HD situation is fumble around the safe trying to figure out which gun is mine. I also don't want to buy multiple safes either if I can avoid it. Thanks, Mike

Hi everyone. Been lurking as a guest and found this site very informative. My first post, so here goes... I'm looking to get a shotgun for HD and was going to apply for an FID. However, I think I can apply for an FID and one P2P at the same time (same application?). Since I would consider getting a handgun as well I think it makes sense to do it all at once. The question is will the FID+P2P take longer than applying for FID alone? With NJ being so sensitive on handguns, I figured it would be more time/effort for the P2P. If so, I'd rather get the FID sooner and apply for a P2P afterwards as I'm not in a rush for a handgun since will have protection with the shotgun. If there's no difference, then I'll go for both. Thanks, Mike