Underdog

There is an irrational individual that I know that truly believes, in his uneducated state, that you have the right to possess guns, but you should only be allowed to have two. I have explained that different guns are used for different purposes. I have explained that some people celebrating their right to pursue happiness enjoy collecting them. I pointed out that if something happened, a gun owner could arm more people than just him or herself. I pointed out that if one was taken by the police for investigations, that at least another one should be available for protection. I pointed out that if one breaks, you could still have another of that particular kind. I pointed out that if there was an ammunition shortage, you might be able to find a certain type of ammo, so you should have guns maybe in a variety of common calibers. And, even after all of that, and after going over what differing guns are used for... 22s, shotgun, rifle, handguns, revolver, etc... that they have different purposes, etc... even after all that... "If I was in charge, I would only allow 2!) You cannot fix stupid! You cannot stop a statist's ambition! Give sheep food, water, and shelter and they are happy!

If they take your handgun and you legally owned it, you should be handed a pistol permit on the spot (if it was a pistol) to be able to go and immediately buy another one (once your handcuffs are removed). In this state, you will probably have to pay for a permit and background check just to get the "evidence" back. If a police officer has been a shooting, I bet he or she is issued another weapon.

You could make the purchase, but then you would have to pay the dealer to have another NICS check and wait another 48 days AFTER 30 days are up from picking up the private sale. That would be a lot longer wait and double NICS fee. Did you put money down on the one at the dealer? Which do you want more? Can you arrange to pickup the private one 31 days after picking up the dealer one? And, based on title, that is assuming you are trying to pickup 2 handguns.

No, you wouldn't be able to purchase a gun within the 30-31 day limit. However, I thought that maybe I could purchase the private sale and then I would have 30 days once the notification for the NICS came back to pickup the one at the dealer. However , the 30 days starts when you first apply to buy the handgun. So, in reality, you would only have about 12 days to pick it up (since NICS are now about 18 days I have been told). And, once you pick it up, that's when the one-gun-a-month kicks in, so effectively it would be 48 days after you agreed to buy from the dealer. If the 30 days had started when you were notified to pick it up, then you could have picked up the other one, as long as you did it before being notified and you would have been still able to use the NICS check at the dealer to pickup the 2nd one before it expired That would have been the shortest time to have both in possession. However, its a NO GO. It is bass ackwards, as usual. You should either get the 30 days to start once NICS notifies the dealer you have been approved, OR you should have the 30 days for OGAM start the day you applied for the firearm at the dealer and the NICS was faxed in. But, as usual, it is NJ so honest law-abiding gun owners get screwed and it creates additional delays and hardships. And now you have to pay the dealers up front while you wait for your merchandise. And who's to know if a dealer with a stack of say 50 NICS that he is waiting on is going to call you the instant it comes in. IF they are busy and get a big batch of them I can certainly see them building even more time into it. I would be surprised if some dealers aren't already considering/implementing a storage fee for the NICS wait period. Imagine if you had two guns from a dealer, and with the 18 day nics wait time and 30 days.... You go in to purchase and nics is faxed... wait 18 days... Then you have to wait another 30 days. After that, you would have to wait for the NICS to come back in.... So, it could take 66 plus days, easily for you to buy two guns. And, with the expiration of permits... it would seem you would ONLY be able to use only 4 permits total with a renewal, as the 5th gun would put you at around Day 187.

Nice job on the letter. However, you will get no meaningful and thoughtful response from the statists.

The receiver says Remington on it and it has the grooves to take a stripper clip. It looks like the receiver has been re-blued, so I don't know if it had been parkerized. The serial number is in the 3 million range. On the barrel it says Golden State Arms Santa Fe Divison Sharp Shooter. It appears to have a military stock in which pins were put in it. The bolt-action rifle is about 22" long and includes a recoil pad. A piece of wood was added to the fore grip on the stock and a piece was put on the end cap. It has a target front sight and a flip up sight in the middle of the rifle. It seems like it would be a light and quick handling gun, but probably has a pretty good recoil to it. I imagine just the military parts in it have value.

Or, they will inflict it on us hoping the news will keep us preoccupied. But he's got high hopes... But he's got high hopes... Whoops there goes another rubber tree... Whoops there goes another rubber tree plant

You better not be transporting a handgun to NY State without necessary documentation. Anyway, that is NYS and Goshen. That is not a local range in NJ.

Livable he says... Wow!

This! I can't understand why anyone would have done this. Even in a gun-friendly state, you are not going to get away with sleeping in a bank parking lot with out-of-state plates and a gun case in the car. It makes absolutely no sense, and if there wasn't something that shouldn't be going on there, well, then maybe the guy shouldn't have a driver's license, either, as that was not too intelligent. Maybe it was a strip mall or something and the bank was one store in the parking lot? However, this does beg the question. What is the limit for the search? If a cop pulls you over because your headlight just went out and he sees a copy of Guns and Ammo or Combat Handguns on the passenger seat next to you, is that enough? What if you have a Ruger baseball cap on your back seat? Or, what if you have an "I Second that Amendment" bumper sticker? Where is the line drawn? What if you have an NRA sticker AND a guitar case, or what if there is a lock on the guitar case? Or, what if you are listening to Guns for Hire Radio in the parking lot of your child's school while you are waiting to pick him up and the volume isn't too loud but the windows are open and someone hears something? The other question to ask is that assuming that all checks and the man is legit, but seemingly stupid, then what is a "proper" sentence for such things.... Life in prison, etc? If there was NO criminal intent, then how/why would anybody be charged for a felony unless it is criminal negligence?

I imagine one person buying 20 rifles would be noticed in today's environment, unless you were a noted Mosin collector and then you would effectively be an "unlicensed" dealer.

Politics and firearms are forever linked. An indicator about whether or not to post something should be whether or not what you post is viewed. When I post something in the political forum, I can see whether or not there is an interest. If there isn't an audience, then my posts would die out. Since, I don't go to the muzzle-loading section, I have no clue what is there and really don't care. But, I read just about everything in the political spectrum. I think what Vlad really might mean is that as a moderator, HE doesn't want to read all of what he considers BS, but somewhat has to as a moderator. And, if HE wanted to read politics, or about organic growth, then he would join the appropriate forum and strive to be a moderator there. And, he certainly doesn't want LEO bashing on a forum that has a lot of LEOs that come here. Let LEO bashers go to the cooking forum.

We should get a dollar off of the NICS check for each day it is late. 18 days... free.

Yes, and running down the street is very similar to stopping to piss on the way to the range, or picking up your buddy at his house. But, lets not split hairs as they probably have the same sentence and there is probably very little wiggle room. And, as the law is written, those two things could be quite reasonable to the one doing that. I guess the enforcement there of is both meant to establish law and order (and control). Well, gotta go... Time for dinner.

He doth make sense... to some extent. I blather on a little to much around here, and I do feel that Maks is very hands-off unless someone crosses the line. And that is remarkable for a public forum. However, I fear that those that choose to exercise their 2nd Amendment Rights are forever immersed in the political theater.

In my book, the police are not primarily to enforce the rules, but to keep the peace. Rule enforcement is secondary. I don't want to be viewed as a perp until I do something that makes me viewed that way.

To me his tone sounded like one of frustration. Perhaps that is a limitation of this kind of discussion.

If I am reading this right... many on here are quite disheartened by the politics that is infused in a Forum about guns. However, consider that until about 5 years ago, I was not very concerned with politics, and I didn't really notice the dangerous changes that are happening almost on a daily basis to this country, with no thought toward reform, but radical transformation. It wasn't that I didn't notice them... I just didn't take them seriously, believing that the people wouldn't, either. Politics in in play frequently because the elite that are suppose to work for us, they are attempting to rule over us and fundamentally change our way of life. Which if the people REALLY wanted it, well, then that would be what should happen, however, these elitists enact these things in a very dishonest way.

That's a reasonable view point. And, i do agree with your title for this thread. However, I disagree with the law being fairly clear. The laws pertaining to firearm ownership are largely unconstitutional and, as convoluted and treacherous and nonsensical as possible for the honest, moral, law-abiding citizen to try and abide by them. I don't like to always feel that I have to look over my shoulder when I have no intent to disobey the law. By the way, didn't the OP move out of this state in order to avoid the nonsense that we have to put up with on a daily basis with these laws and those that enforce them? Kudos to him for being able to easily do that.

Well said, I guess. Yes, we all need to be united... Out of many, One! Like it or not, however, there is still the sad issue that LEOs enforce the ridiculous laws in this state, and they DO have discretion. And, that gun owners whether women, minorities, white fat guys, even LEOS, etc. they are all guilty until proven innocent under this system whenever a sports, hunting, or protection tool with a barrel is used. And that is where that discretion is needed. Therefore, it is imperative that LEOs have high standards, and strive to be peace rather than law enforcement officers, just as clergy, teachers, and yes, politicians, they should all have higher standards for the way they conduct themselves. And, the public should have respect and consideration for the officers that put themselves on the line every day. It's about respect. Stop viewing everyone you meet as suspects. If you are the public, understand that officers have to secure the scene and make quick decisions with a lot of power and weight behind them. However, I don't feel this forum is going down hill any. Most people have honest, heartfelt discussions.

So, as usual, because it is NJ, there is no answer. You are subject to the state's whims.

What about the SR1911? The stainless Commander looks nice and has a lot of features. http://www.ruger.com/products/sr1911/models.html

If the gun, itself, isn't too big, I would check out a Ruger 10/22, and you can get a 1-round magazine for it. Then it would be a nice gun to gradually move up to in semi-auto. 10_22-BX-1-1-One-Round-Magazine-Sturm, Ruger & Co., Inc.

I like the Savage 10 FCM Scout bolt-action in .308 for the distances we have to work with in NJ.

I'm not sure what makes it a shooter, other than it is not "collectible" grade and/or it has been altered, etc. But that it works fine and is accurate... I will have to see tomorrow when I check it out.