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I got the same from the NRA. Legally you're allowed to keep it and not pay. After getting a second letter saying "You haven't contacted us with payment or returned it" I didn't feel like dealing with their crap if they decided to harass me to pay so I returned it. Then a week later I got a third letter saying "just in case you didn't know, since we sent it to you unprovoked, you can keep it if you'd like." I'm also in the same boat with not renewing my NRA membership (at least not yet), mostly because I despise their "discount" of $2 off any membership. Not to mention they do nothing for us in NJ. I instead joined NJ2AS this year. Maybe I'll join SAF too since they do seem to be more active at the federal level.

You're right, there are plenty of bad drivers causing accidents daily. But does that make the law requiring training and a test to operate a vehicle bad? How many more accidents would there be if there were no required training and everyone was allowed on the road unsupervised for their first time? Just because a law doesn't work 100% of the time doesn't make it a bad law. EVERY law on the books has been broken at some point by someone, so should all of them be repealed because they obviously aren't working? And don't bother introducing logic into the laws, we all know that politicians and legislators are required to denounce all logic when they take their oath. What logic is there in limiting my magazine capacity to 15? When I have only 15 rounds am I controllable but with 16 rounds I'm a dominating lethal force that cannot be stopped? Do they forget that I know how to reload? As for the whole convicted felon thing being discussed, the problem is that if you had a chance to be an upstanding citizen and made the decision not to go that route. Does it suck for the people that honest to goodness do change for the better afterwards? Of course it does. But how do you REALLY know that they have changed completely and will never ever ever do anything bad again? Can you completely 100% trust someone that you know has made those bad decisions in the past? How do you know that they don't still have those thoughts and may one day act on them? Now having said that, I could potentially be on board with a probationary period, where, say, if you go 5 or 10 years showing that you're turning your life around (like the person vlad mentioned) and you have a stable job, can prove you're staying clean and out of trouble, then you can begin to earn (being the key word since you lost them) your rights back. That's what I think at least, and as someone else mentioned, you don't have to agree with me, just discussing.

I agree, background checks are necessary, especially since they're "instant" with NICS in place. I don't agree with the 3 required in NJ. They should be at the point of sale only, not years before when I get my FID, or days/weeks/months before when I get my (wholly unnecessary) P2P. I also agree with training requirements to get a CCW. I don't want an untrained person carrying a firearm that could potentially harm an innocent bystander through poor/nonexistent training. Hell, I could even get behind regular re-training to ensure you're still proficient, though not if the classes will cost $500. I think a nominal fee for maybe a 1 to 2 hour class teaching the laws and a 1-hour range session showing proficiency. Then again, I'm also in favor of driver's license retraining.

As we were discussing in another thread, their site says they won't ship handgun ammo (likely because of our crazy laws required an FID), but as j0n said they apparently will ship if you call them. I just took it as a sign and started looking elsewhere and wound up finding better prices from other companies.

I used to de-prime my brass before tumbling. Then I found out that the primer pocket didn't get cleaned during tumbling anyway, and even worse I had to pick media out of the flash holes of about 50% or more of the cases. I've since stopped de-priming first. Now I don't even bother cleaning pistol primer pockets, and rifle I'll clean with a primer pocket cleaner on a screwdriver handle (from RCBS). If I used a wet cleaning system then I'd probably do differently.

I guess the Gallery of Guns site is wrong then because it says 16+1. http://www.galleryofguns.com/genie/default.aspx?item=91201 And FWIW, they list it at $495 from Hackettstown Guns and Ammo. If you're in that area, try giving Walt a call there, he can probably get it for you.

I just went to Midway and added any random handgun ammo to my cart. When attempting to checkout and I select my address it says "We're sorry, but City or State law prohibits us from sending item(s) in your cart to the address you have specified. As of April 1, 2008, New Jersey statutes will not allow sales of handgun ammunition to New Jersey." When I put rifle ammo instead, it doesn't say that, so they only won't sell handgun ammo to us (which was what I have tried buying in the past). And according to your order, they must be on the side of the fence that considers .22LR to be rifle ammo and not handgun ammo (unlike Dick's Sporting Goods who requires an FID to purchase .22LR).

Right, as I said it requires a sealed environment. Putting them in ziploc bags and removing the air creates a sealed environment with no moisture. A gunsock is not a ziploc bag so why would you expect it to work like one?

Of course they're going to rust, it's not a sealed environment. As I said, I don't expect it to do anything beyond minimal protection like a soft case. Guns will rust in a safe or a hard case too without dessicant. Maybe there are certain gun socks that will help prevent rust, and if that's what you're looking for, then no, don't get the Midway ones. I haven't looked into gun socks for that purpose, so I'm not familiar with them. All I wanted, like NJJim, was something to prevent dings and scratches when I'm moving them around in the safe.

From what I've found dealing with online retailers and firearms/ammo, there are many companies that prefer just not to deal with NJ at all due to the crazy laws. An example being Midway will not sell ammo to NJ at all. Doing a quick check on Cheaperthandirt, it seems like they won't ship ANY gun to NJ. So it's probably the same case, they just don't want to deal with NJ. Edit: Just found it. http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/MediaPages/ArticleDetail.aspx?mediaid=921

I have the Midway ones as well and they work fine. I'm not sure what they are expected to do beyond minimal protection, but they work very well for that. They will fit probably any normal rifle or smaller rifle with scope (I have a 10/22 w/ 4x scope that it fits). Anything larger than that though and it won't fit (I have a Marlin .308 Bolt w/ 3-9x40 scope and an AR-15 and neither fit). I think they make larger ones though for scoped rifles and rifles with pistol grip. I have 3 shotguns and my 10/22 in them and just use them as their cases for transporting to the range so I don't have to fumble with so many hard cases in my small trunk.

http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/26568-cherry-ridge-membership-badge-issues/ I e-mailed him and had my badge in the mail 2 or 3 days later.

I was wondering the same thing. I sometimes have guests meet me at the clubhouse if it's out of the way for them to meet at my house. Do I now have to either wait at the gate in my car blocking the road or park in the lot and walk back and wait for them? I realize this is an exception rather than the norm, but still curious nonetheless. It might just be something we have to deal with to have increased security. I have plenty of other questions about how it will work, but it might just be better to wait until it's operational and see for myself. Anyone know an ETA when it's expected to be operational? I assume they have to get keycards/passcodes out to all members prior to flipping the switch.

I know it wouldn't close for snow, but I didn't know about lack of power, downed trees, broken bridges, etc.

Now that the road is open, anyone know if the range is open tomorrow and what the conditions there are like? I assume most of the snow is gone since most of mine is.

We call those the Christmas Tree rifles. Everyone wants to hang more and more crap on it every year.

I agree about the pricing; it seems a little outrageous. For not much more than 2.5 years worth with a spouse you can get a Life membership to CR which includes the spouse AND kids and has probably way more options. The only upside I can think of is that you wouldn't have to switch ranges to switch between pistol and rifle, but are they going to have a 100/200/300 yard range, or is it going to be like every other indoor range where they have 25yd max? And who only shoots for an hour at a time? Maybe if I only brought 1 or 2 guns I could be done in an hour. Hopefully they add details about their facilities in the coming weeks because there is literally nothing on their website that I could find. I can't really complain about another choice for ranges in this neck of the state though.

There's your problem. Judges aren't supposed to enforce their opinion or political stance, they're supposed to enforce the law. There should be no Anti-2A (or any #A for that matter) judges, if it's in the constitution or law, it shall be uphold. Period, end of story. I'm getting tired of these judges trying to interpret things with their own spin. If a judge's ruling is ever overturned by a higher court, that judge should have a strike against them. Too many strikes and your dismissed from the bench. At any other job you wouldn't expect to keep your job after performing poorly for too long, why should they? Not to mention if 80% of the country agrees that 2A applies outside the home, how can the rest feel it doesn't? How about I sue the government when someone is elected with 55% of the vote, but my opinion is that the other person should win. Majority rules unless you have power. He should be put on a list of people never allowed to have a CCW. If he thinks 2A doesn't apply outside the home then why would he ever want to carry a gun? /soapbox rant/

I went with a $100 refurbished Nikon 3-9x40 from Natchez. Seemed like the best compromise between price and quality for me to put on a $300 rifle. My link

I've only bought once so far and it was from Natchez because I was already ordering ammo. I also plan to purchase from Powder Valley. I won't purchase from MidwayUSA because they charge the Hazmat for powder and primers separately and they aren't very cheap to begin with.

How different is this from national driver's license reciprocity? Driver's licenses used to be incredibly easy to forge, and because of that we now have digital licenses and the like that are far more difficult to forge. Not to mention we have computer databases that allow LEOs to look up a driver's information instantly. I would see the same kind of thing happening for CCW cards, which I don't see a problem with. There is no reason that a license to appropriately handle a deadly weapon in public (vehicle) should be treated any differently than a license to appropriately handle a deadly weapon in public (firearm).

That has to be fake. Guns don't recoil prior to muzzle exit. If they did no one would ever hit their target. Even still, my jaw dropped. I'm sure there's plenty out there that have done that before and not been so lucky, but that's natural selection at work.

I use Hoppes on all my guns (AR included). I bought a needle bottle for it from Midway since the 4oz bottle sucks for precision application.

Are they giving receipts with the "seller's" name and the serial number of the gun? If they're not what protection do you have if the gun is turned around and used in a crime? And if they are, doesn't that defeat the purpose of anonymous and amnesty? They should really just have the police waiting and arrest everyone who shows up to turn in a gun. No legitimate gun owner is going to turn in a perfectly good gun (they'd be out shooting it), therefore only criminals looking for amnesty from a crime will turn it in, so arrest them an figure out what they did later. And don't tell me "innocent until proven guilty" because if that doesn't apply to law-abiding gun owners, why should it apply to criminals?

I do agree that there shouldn't be any difference between 5 people who show up together with 2 guests each and 5 separate people with 2 guests each, but given that we live in NJ I'm fairly jaded about applying logic to determine how things work. And that is exactly what we do: we go to Dick's usually beforehand, buy a ton of ammo and split the cost, then we lay all the guns out, usually sorted by caliber to keep things easy, and let everyone have at it and shoot whatever they want. We do always make sure everyone either is very familiar with handling firearms (4 of the guests own firearms and 2 I have personally seen handle them), and if someone isn't, we give them extra attention to help them learn and make sure they understand how to stay safe and how to operate a firearm until we are comfortable that they are comfortable. We obviously don't let them go unattended at that point, but don't need to watch them like a hawk. Which brings me to my next point, given that most of the people that we will bring are proficient with firearms and safety I would hope that we would be able to let them shoot without needing to stand watching guard over them the entire time not being able to then enjoy some shooting ourselves. What we would likely do, if necessary to appease the ROs, is we can have one member oversee each bench of shooters to make sure everything is going ok. Unfortunately I do not know any of the ROs other than because I see certain ones regularly. I've only really ever had an issue with one being a little grumpy, but I know he was just enforcing the rules. I just hope that it wouldn't be amplified when there's 15 of us. Maybe when I have more details on a date I'll give a shout over there and inform them and see if they have any problems.