compujas

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned Cherry Ridge yet. They require a full blown safety orientation prior to joining. There's also Sunset Hill out in PA that requires an annual safety refresher before they will renew your membership (only for the range where you bring your own guns, if you rent guns you don't have to do that because someone is on you the entire time). I don't blame them for requiring it; even if it doesn't make sense, given our ridiculously litigious society these days, I would want to do everything I could to keep from being held liable. These ranges obviously aren't hurting for business either given those of you who refuse to take part in it.

Agreed. Before I do anything I plan to put a ton of trigger time in with my Glock to see if I have the same problem with that gun. If I don't, then it's probably a bad relationship between me and the 92.

That's pretty much why I'm considering putting on adjustable sights so I can make the gun shoot where I'm aiming since I already know I'm consistent. If it's easier for me to stick with my current consistent method and just move the POI, it's probably better than trying to erase my current method and ingrain a new one. Especially since I'm not terribly far off the mark as it is.

I bought an ultrasonic cleaner from Harbor Freight. It's the same exact one as the Lyman cleaner but half the price. (http://www.harborfreight.com/25-liter-ultrasonic-cleaner-95563.html) I use M-Pro 7 in a 1:8 mix with water. You just have to make sure you oil it afterwards. I just used it for the first time to do a full clean of my Glock 22, Beretta 92A1, and AR15. It's not big enough to take the full frame so I just put it in upside down with the grip sticking up. I'm a little more OCD about it and disassemble them nearly completely.

jackdawack: I swapped out my grips for the rubber Hogue grips because the gun would slip out of my hand a bit with the original ones. I don't have that problem anymore with the rubber grips. Caine: I get it now, I'll have to give that a try. Without a gun nearby, it seems like with that grip you would have your support elbow locked out and your strong elbow bent a little, correct? Thanks again for all the help. Hopefully this will get me back on track.

I like how they think that a NJ PD is the avenue that terrorists and criminals take to obtain firearms. I wonder how many FID/PPP Trenton, Camden, and Newark give out relative to the rest of the state given there are probably more guns in those 3 towns than the rest of the state. I can just imagine the guy writing these certs sitting there saying "I don't know what to write....let's just say this. If it's wrong I'll get another try anyway, right?".

That would explain why I can fire quickly just about as accurately as I can slowly. I think what I really need is more trigger time. If only I could retire early (at 28), I'd have plenty of time to hit the range.

There's a voluntary registration form (http://www.state.nj.us/njsp/info/pdf/firearms/sp-650.pdf) and one of the questions is whether it was acquired through a will, so by that I assume there is no mandatory paperwork. But you know what happens when you assume with firearm laws in NJ.

Caine: Thanks for the input, I'll definitely have to look into that. It looks then like your support hand is wrapped pretty far around the trigger guard, almost to where your second knuckle is on the trigger guard. Or do you not wrap your fingers all the way around and leave a gap between your support fingers and dominant knuckles (if that makes sense). I'll have to grab the gun tomorrow and play around with my grip, might take some getting used to, but if it works it's worth it. axeman: I do notice that I have a little bit of a recoil flinch sometimes. Two of my magazines don't like the slide back so I never realize I'm out and still pull the trigger. The weird part is during dry firing there's no flinch, but when I'm at the range I flinch. I would've thought if that were the cause I'd be shooting much lower, but maybe not. I'm also not entirely sure how to have no flinch but still control the recoil in follow through. It seems like if you didn't anticipate it even the slightest, you wouldn't have enough time to then control the gun after firing and it would just go flying.

I'm not sure what a "wrapped" thumbs grip is, but my thumbs point forward. My offhand thumb winds up resting right on the trigger bar or just on the bottom edge of it, and then it rubs on my thumb. Hopefully the pic below helps (I had to wait for my wife to get home as well).

I've seen that chart before and have thought about it, so I tried to put conscious effort into proper trigger control and still get the same thing. I've never noticed having the same aim error with my Glock, but I also haven't put enough rounds through it in one trip lately to know for sure. That is on my to-do list though. The other part of my issue though is where to put my thumb, which I don't have a problem with on my glock because I can rest it on the frame, which is what gave me the idea that maybe that's part of the problem.

Ignoring the fact that many members of the military are gun people and choose not to carry out the order, I recently started research to see if it's even legal for the military to carry out an unconstitutional order, ie. disarm the people. All I've found so far really is that any member of the military that does carry out an order that is against the law (Laws of War, Conventions, or Federal) is responsible for it, regardless of the fact that it was an order. I looked in the relevant part of the UCMJ but it only mentions "legal" or "lawful" not necessarily "constitutional". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insubordination Then I just found this. Not a real legal or trustworthy source, but the internet said it so it must be true, right? http://www.opednews.com/Quicklink/Unconstitutional-Orders-Mu-in-Best_Web_OpEds-060904-499.html

I think paper towels would tend to leave lint and stuff behind while cotton cleaning patches don't leave nearly as much. I use cleaning patches for barrels and those blue shop towels for the rest on all my guns. The shop towels are a little more than plain paper towels I think but definitely cheaper than cleaning patches.

I'm having some trouble with my 92A1. I pretty consistently shoot slightly right and a little low. The image is of my targets with 50 rounds per target (bottom right is 40 with 10 in the center of the sheet, I was aiming for between the two symbols). The target was at about 7 yards and were all shooting anywhere from a relatively slow pace to a moderate pace (1 shot per 1-2 seconds). I'm having trouble determining whether it's my sights that are slightly off or I'm doing something wrong. I'm also having trouble figuring out where to put my right thumb (keep in mind I'm lefty, so that's offhand thumb to most of you) due to the exposed trigger bar on the gun, so I'm thinking because I'm not balancing my grip with my right thumb I'm pushing right on my shots, but I'm not entirely sure. I figured I'd get some input from people before I drop $60 on an adjustable sight. This is a potential candidate for my USPSA gun when I start in the spring, so I'm trying to figure out if I can fix my problem (or the gun's) before I rule it out. My other option is a Glock 22 .40 that has a tendency to shift in my grip after each shot, so I need to get that sorted out too.

I only lube rifle brass. I use Frankford Arsenal spray lube. I load .308 in low volume so I lay about 25-30 out on a towel, give one shot over them, roll them over, give another shot, and let them sit for a minute, then go. I also have a tube of Lee lube and a can of Hornady One Shot, but I prefer the FA spray because it's easier to use in a pump spray bottle. I haven't lubed pistol ever and don't have any issues with sizing them.

Yes you can put ambi parts on a righty lower. They cost more because they don't sell as many as standard parts so they can't make them by the millions. See here (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/892344/badger-ordnance-ambidextrous-charging-handle-assembly-with-tactical-latch-ar-15-aluminum-matte) for a $70 ambi charging handle. It's out of stock right now, but I plan on getting that one eventually. You could also just get a standard righty charging handle that has a larger tactical latch on it (that's the BCM gunfighter charging handle Caine mentioned) that's easier to operate over the top, but that's up to your preference. As many have said, try it before you start swapping parts to see what you can get away with. For me, unlike Caine, I can't wrap my hand all the way around to reach the bolt release, and I don't like have to reach across the top. I also don't have enough hands to hold the rifle in one, pull the charging handle back with another, and activate the bolt lock with a third, so I bought a Magpul BAD lever so my trigger finger can actuate the bolt lock. And I don't like having to fumble with the small latch on the opposite side on the standard charging handle, so I'm going to get an ambi handle with a larger tactical latch. It's all personal preference.

Blank post or just me? Either way, all I see is my post quoted. Edit: Just realized you replied in the middle of the quote. The ambi parts are kind of expensive, but it's one of those we just have to deal with. My recommendation is give a righty AR a try, and if you like it, get one and upgrade the parts. My suggestion are the BAD lever (about $20-30) and the ambi charging handle (about $80). The rest I don't find absolutely necessary, but nice-to-haves.

I'm a lefty and I have a right handed AR that I'm slowly "upgrading" with ambi parts, but really, most of them aren't a problem. The mag release I operate with my right thumb, then I don't have to take my left hand off the grip. I added a BAD lever to more easily lock the bolt back with my trigger finger and drop the bolt with my right thumb after loading a new mag. I'm ok with the selector since I can hit it with my trigger finger, but I want to get an ambi selector switch. The only thing left that I would say is really a must is an ambi charging handle. It's very difficult to charge the rifle with my right hand having to reach across my face and then remount the rifle. I have never had any brass in my face. The only thing is I'm breathing in some of the gases, but that could be regardless of which side you shoot from. This all reminds me of the episode of Sons of Guns where a guy wants his AR reconfigured because he can't shoot well and he's lefty. They put an AR in his hands and have him shoot it right handed and he says it's terrible. Then they swap the upper for a left handed one and he shoots it lefty. Meanwhile I'm screaming at my tv to have him shoot the right handed AR as a lefty and get it over with like the rest of us lefties. I typically find that I have an advantage shooting right handed guns as a lefty because I don't really have to break my grip on handguns to drop the magazine, and I slingshot the slide rather than use the slide release. Anyway, a little off topic at the end, but that's my .02.

10th Amendment: States don't have rights; they have powers that aren't reserved by the constitution, AKA the 2nd Amendment. Then again, no one ever said that liberals were good at understanding the constitution, or that they'd ever read it.

I typically go to Natchez for my ammo. They have Remington UMC bulk packs for $50/250 or Federal AE for $10.49/50. They're shipping is usually reasonable. For 1000rds of Remington UMC it's $225 shipped. And being that I reload I won't buy anything not brass, and at that price it's usually only $0.50-1.00 cheaper per box, so not worth it to me.

That's my point. Rights are either absolute, or require permission, but not both and not neither. You can't say rights don't require permission but don't apply to everyone. That's essentially the same as requiring permission. Edit: Oh, and the 26th amendment limits the voting age to 18. No other rights are limited by age.

What about the mentally infirm or those with previous mental health issues? What about those elderly or physically handicapped who are not fully capable of properly handling a firearm without endangering themselves or others? What about minors? What about the 1st amendment right covering protesting and needing to get a permit to protest?

I've done the math before but I can't quite remember now. It's either 50 per 1/2 hour or 50 per hour for pistol. I have a single stage in case you couldn't tell. And that's starting with prepped and sized brass. I also load rifle, but like usnmars I weigh every charge exactly, so that's much slower. I've only been at it for less than a year so far so I haven't upgraded to a progressive yet.

All the more reason for CCW training IMO. Many people don't encounter any SHTF situations while driving, but every CCW situation is a SHTF moment. I would much prefer knowing that a person needing to draw their CCW firearm at the very least understands the basic fundamentals of a firearm than someone who just walked into a store, purchased a gun, and threw it on their hip and is now drawing it and firing haphazardly and uncontrollably. After some training you have at the very least actually aimed and fired the gun. Plus, understanding the laws regarding use of lethal force and others is necessary, just like it's necessary to know the rules of the road. Not to mention it is fairly common to walk out of a vehicle accident with no or minor injuries while it's probably not quite as common for someone to get shot and come out of it with only a few scratches and bruises. I do agree that most training will mean precisely squat in a SHTF situation, but who would you trust more, someone who has had at least a little bit of training, or someone who's never fired a gun in their life?

blindfolded, after being spun around on a bat 5 times, using sonar only, with a .500S&W Mag, 5 hits in 10 seconds. Challenge Accepted!