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If I find any more regional reports from around the country or links to any new videos regarding this story, I'll post them here.

This story is getting national attention! Fox 4 out of Dallas Texas picked up on the story as well. And there is a video that is linked to MY 9. http://www.myfoxdfw.com/story/25996007/nj-gun-permit-problems I tried to embed the video, maybe someone else can. http://www.myfoxdfw.com/clip/10355968/nj-gun-permit-problems

Here are the court determinations to three challenges to the 1966 FID law in Burton Vs Sills. And this doesn't even challenge New Jersey's process for purchasing or carrying pistols which were already in effect well before 1966. This is just for the 1966 Firearms ID card law. How the affirmation of the Second Amendment by the Supreme Court in 2010 would affect the determination of the NJ Supreme Court from 1967-1968? I think a constitutional lawyer might be able to put it into perspective. If anyone wishes to research this and other court decisions further. Please check the links provided below, as well as this site https://www.courtlistener.com/ Note: The following excerpts are public legal record in the public domain Burton Vs. Sills 1967, 1968 and another 1968 decision where challenges to the 1966 FID Law https://www.courtlistener.com/njsuperctappdiv/dbve/burton-v-sills/?q=Sills+act+NJ+&stat_Precedential=on&order_by=score+desc https://www.courtlistener.com/njsuperctappdiv/dbA1/burton-v-sills/?q=Sills+act+NJ+&stat_Precedential=on&order_by=score+desc https://www.courtlistener.com/nj/8BEM/burton-v-sills/?q=Sills+act+NJ+&stat_Precedential=on&order_by=score+desc Read what the court determined in 1967 https://www.courtlistener.com/njsuperctappdiv/dbve/burton-v-sills/?q=Sills+act+NJ+&stat_Precedential=on&order_by=score+desc "Plaintiffs also contend that the statute provides that an applicant for a firearms purchaser identification card must be fingerprinted and investigated, and give detailed intimate information about himself to the chief police official or superintendent as hereinabove recited, all in derogation of his rights and privacy. It is within the police power of the Legislature to authorize the Superintendent of State Police or a local chief of police to inquire into the background of those seeking to carry, transport or traffic in guns. Public health and safety are dependent upon who carries, purchases, and traffics in guns. As to fingerprints, it has been held in this State that the taking of fingerprints is not a violation of the Fifth Amendment. See State v. King, 44 N.J. 346 (1965) " "N.J.S. 2A:151-34, even before it was amended, restricted the sales of pistols and revolvers, just as it does today. The only difference in the new law is that the section was supplemented to provide for a firearms purchaser identification card for the purchase of rifles and shotguns. The court fails to see any constitutional distinction between this restriction and the restrictions on the sale of rifles and shotguns. The court can conceive of no matter more concerned with public safety, health and welfare of the State of New Jersey than that the indiscriminate purchase and *527 use of firearms, and the regulation thereof should be subject to the police power of the State." "It is clear from all the foregoing authorities that the Second Amendment merely protects against unwarranted extensions of federal power and does not bar a state government from enacting regulations concerning the use and possession of arms." Read what the court determined in 1968 https://www.courtlistener.com/njsuperctappdiv/dbA1/burton-v-sills/?q=Sills+act+NJ+&stat_Precedential=on&order_by=score+desc "The present appeal by sportsmen, gun dealers and a non-profit sportmen's organization represents a broader attack upon the constitutionality of the law. Plaintiffs contend that the act fails in its alleged public purpose and "thus must fall under the weight of the private rights it infringes upon." They further maintain that it violates the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution and the rights of citizens of New Jersey provided for in Amendments I, IV, V, IX and XIV and Article I, Secs. 8 and 10 of the United States Constitution. They claim that the law's restraints and *461 restrictions exceed the State's regulatory powers and constitute "a partial abolition of a basic right." "We are satisfied that this gun control law is a proper and reasonable exercise of the State's police powers. It was adopted for legitimate ends. Its wisdom and enforcement are matters within the domain of the Legislature and those charged with its administration. It is too early to stamp it as a failure. Its efficacy must await the test of time. Already more than 50,000 persons have been issued the necessary identification cards permitting them to purchase guns in New Jersey. Approximately 1,000 applications have been rejected. The propriety of these rejections has not been challenged on this appeal. Some 5,000 applications were pending at the time of oral argument. Thus, no law-abiding citizen, free from the statute's disqualifications, has been or will be precluded from purchasing, keeping or bearing arms." "Not even plaintiff gun enthusiasts plead for the unregulated right of habitual drunkards, narcotics addicts, criminals, mental cases, or proponents of force and violence who approve and advocate such means to overthrow the government or deny the enjoyment by others of their constitutional rights, to purchase firearms. Rather, they complain of the inconvenience and delay which some hunters and sportsmen have experienced in obtaining their identification cards. Experience in administering this new law will minimize such inconveniences and delays. Some find the fingerprinting requirement personally objectionable. But fingerprinting no longer bears the odium of bygone days when generally only persons charged with crime were fingerprinted. Nowadays, many people in all walks of life freely submit to this beneficent identification process. Inconvenience, delay and sensitive feelings are not adequate grounds for striking down this legislation and frustrating its good purposes." "We find no substantial merit in the claim that this law wrongfully infringes upon the individual's constitutional rights under any of the provisions specified. Under the State's police powers, the common good takes precedence over private *462 rights. One's home may be destroyed to prevent a conflagration. One's freedom of locomotion may be impeded to prevent the spread of a contagious disease. Our basic freedoms may be curtailed if sufficient reason exists therefor. Only in a very limited sense is a person free to do as he pleases in our modern American society. Regulation by the government is the price we pay for living in an organized community. From the day we are born, when a birth certificate must be filed, until the day we die, when official certification thereof must be recorded, we spend the intervening years obtaining licenses to marry, to drive a motor vehicle, to sell alcoholic beverages, to operate a barbershop, to practice the learned professions and to do countless other things, including the obtaining of a license to hunt and fish. These burdens we assume for the good that flows therefrom. We find no basic difference in a requirement to obtain a gun purchaser's identification card." The last decision in 1968 https://www.courtlistener.com/nj/8BEM/burton-v-sills/?q=Sills+act+NJ+&stat_Precedential=on&order_by=score+desc "All in all, the plaintiffs' presentation, while indicating some inconvenience and intrusion into the total privacy they seek to retain, has not established any constitutional infirmity or the deprivation of any basic right. Reasonable gun control legislation is clearly within the police power of the State and must be accepted by the individual though it may impose a restraint or burden on him. On balance, the interests of the State are manifestly paramount, and while New Jersey's comprehensive efforts may not prove to be wholly successful until suitably joined by other jurisdictions, they will undoubtedly have advanced the public welfare by having led the way. See 99 N.J. Super., at 462; Administrative Code of City of New York §§ 436-6.0 to 436-6.16 (Grimm v. City of New York, supra, 56 Misc.2d 525, 289 N.Y.S.2d 358); cf. Gun Control Act of 1968, Public Law 90-618, 90th Cong., H.R. 17735 (October 1968), amending 18 U.S.C. c. 44 and 26 U.S.C. c. 53. We agree with the holding of constitutionality below and, accordingly, the judgment of the Appellate Division is: Affirmed. For affirmance Chief Justice WEINTRAUB and Justices JACOBS, FRANCIS, PROCTOR, HALL, SCHETTINO and HANEMAN 7. For reversal None."

There is conjecture that the reason it is this way is because the Second amendment is not addressed in the New Jersey Constitution. In fact in an 1947 Constitutional Convention, the Second Amendment was left out of it according to this. http://conservativenewjersey.com/handguns-banned-in-new-jersey "I find it embarrassing to explain that, for practical purposes, the Second Amendment does not really apply to New Jersey. Delegates to the 1947 New Jersey Constitutional Convention believed that the right of the people to keep and bear arms was so obvious and universally accepted that they did not include it the wording in our state Constitution - a presumptive error of epic proportions." I don't know if it was ever included in the NJ Constitution and then taken out. Or if it was never put in there in the first place. I don't understand what was the purpose or need that led up to rewriting the NJ Constitution in 1947 in the first place. Furthermore, how many Constitutional Conventions have their been? How many are aware that there was a constitutional convention in 1966? The same year when the FID law took effect. http://www.amazon.com/Unfinished-Business-Jersey-Constitutional-Convention/dp/0882851756 If you want the history of gun control in New Jersey here you go. Part One http://cemeterysgunblob.com/2012/01/14/when-did-new-jersey-become-so-anti-gun/ and part two http://cemeterysgunblob.com/2012/01/15/when-did-new-jersey-become-so-anti-gun-part-deux/ I thought I would mention that the Attorney General for NJ at the time, Arthur J Sills was pretty much responsible for pushing the 1966 Firearms ID Card through. Also noteworthy is that Mr. Sills also helped Thomas Dodd (architect of the 1968 Gun Control Act) by giving input in the infamous "Dodd hearings" on gun control in 1965. (I'll bet some of you didn't know that). Here is more on Sills http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_J._Sills "He was nonetheless criticized by civil rights groups for defending a warrantless search for stolen guns by 300 heavily armed New Jersey State Police and National Guardsmen during the 1967 Plainfield riots. He also came under fire from the American Civil Liberties Union for writing a memorandum in the wake of the 1967 Newark riots encouraging state police to compile detailed dossiers on people taking part in demonstrations.[3][4] After leaving office, Sills founded his own firm based in Newark, New Jersey, Sills, Beck, Cummis, Radin, Tischman & Zuckerman (now known as Sills Cummis & Gross). He represented James Florio during the recount for the 1981 gubernatorial election.[2] In 1982 he died of a stroke at the age of 65.[3]" If you want to research Arthur J Sills statements at the 1965 Dodd hearings. Supposedly this section 394-407 is where he gives his input. And you may download the entire Hearings on the federal Firearms Act PL 90-618 at https://bulk.resource.org/gao.gov/90-618/0000573D.pdf In fact all 867 pages of it, make for an interesting historical record of the political climate at the time. During this period, there was talk about national gun registration and licensing of gun owners. I believe President Johnson was in favor of banning the ownership of firearms by civilians.

You might want to have some method of being able to leave messages and retrieve messages totally separate from the internet or phone. In the old days they used packet radio and BBS' and you could send out email using ham radio BBS. The advantage of packet is that nearly any old computer will do and the terminal node controllers are selling next to nothing on ebay...for $35. Y'all can set up a couple of packet BBS' and run digipeaters. There is also PSK mail, Winlink 2000, Winmor, Sailmail (if you have a boat). The goal is to be able to send messages, text files, lists, photos in an emergency without using the grid or conventional commercial means. With ham radio and some inexpensive used equipment, it is possible to build a string of BBS' from one end of the state to the other with little cost.

This link is pretty much the same as the 247 Wall St Link however this link contained some more items. http://www.ksl.com/?nid=151&sid=30552296&title=target-asks-customers-to-leave-firearms-at-home "Target is "respectfully" asking its customers to not bring firearms into its stores, even where it is allowed by law." Differs from the 247 wall St Link "Target Corp. made the announcement as it faced pressure about its policy on the "open carry" of firearms in its stores. A group called Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America gathered nearly 400,000 signatures for a petition asking Target to prohibit shoppers from carrying guns into its stores." Also this "It introduced the campaign after gun rights groups carrying loaded rifles frequently gathered in Target stores including Texas, Alabama and North Carolina to demonstrate in support of "open carry" laws." .

There is an airgun section on thehighroad.org site http://www.thehighroad.org/forumdisplay.php?f=70 .

Maybe the OP saw this ad "NJ and You Perfect Together" - Gov. Kean

The Official Pro-Slingshot site of NJ? http://www.slingshotnj.com/ "A goal of Slingshot NJ is to advocate for and assure that the possesion and use of slingshots in a peaceable sporting context is recognized and legal in NJ"

Gas is expensive here in the Midwest, we have been paying $3.85 to $3.99 here in Kentucky and nearby Indiana and Ohio.

Ouch

Fireworks are not allowed (I know they are not in Georgia either...but still) Slingshots are not allowed Permit to Purchase for a pellet gun pistol Permit to Purchase for a black powder pistol FID needed for Pellet/BB Gun rifles FID needed for Black powder rifle Taxes $10,000 to $15,000 a year that a house in NJ that Georgia would cost less than $2000 or $3000 a year No open carry without a permit Impossible to get a carry permit Car Insurance High Lot of Toll Roads Positives Great Schools Great Hospitals Great Food Real Pizza Parlors Gas is among the cheapest in the country Pepper spray is OK to use for Self Defense (Check laws on size of spray) Many places open up all night (Some Home Improvement Stores open 24 hrs. At least when I visited years ago). Lot of sports teams Altantic City and Foxwoods in CT both a few hours driving time. NJ Shore Revolutionary War Historical Sites Morristown Scenic areas High Point, Cape May Fishing .

DNA Samples submitted to the NYS database, Fingerprints, 4 notarized references including one from your employer. Proof that you donated at least $1,000 to the NYS Democrat party, An autographed picture of the governor, the $50 lead recovery fee and the $50 fee for exporting ammunition out of NY State. .

Federally, pellet guns and black powder guns are not considered firearms by the BATF. Which means you can buy them through interstate commerce. Which means someone from NJ can buy pellet and black powder guns in PA, DE, OH or anywhere else without ID cards, purchase permits, going through an FFL or being a state resident. If you buy pellet and black powder guns in NJ, you need the FID or P2P. When you buy these items in PA or in other states, the FID or P2P is not needed. Firearms as defined by the BATF is different, which means by Federal Law both the seller and buyer must be in the same state for handguns. Or, a long gun through a FFL in another state and you need your FID to buy a long gun from an FFL in another state. (Assuming of course it is Jersey legal). Summary: Firearms are regulated by the BATF in interstate commerce. Non Firearms are not regulated by the BATF. (Pellet and Black Powder guns are not regulated by the BATF because they are not considered firearms). .

Hypothetically speaking, lets say a relative from Ohio is visiting and the both of you go to the gun store in NJ. Your relative sees a handgun they want and would like to have it shipped to their local FFL back in Ohio. But your relative wants to handle the gun and look at it up close before paying for it and having it sent to the FFL in Ohio. So, what happens in this case? The relative, cannot touch the handgun because they don't have an FID? How do these situations get worked out...or do they? Just curious.. .

If JC doesn't comply with the court, isn't that considered contempt of court?

Pro-Gun Legislation Roundup From Around The U.S. April 8 2014 If you know anyone in these states or in the case of Guam... which is a U.S. territory , tell them to support the following... GUAM: Bill 296 Shall Issue Being Considered http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=9427757#post9427757 "Bill 296 would change language for concealed firearms licensing from "may" to shall." That means concealed firearm licenses shall be issued to an applicant who meets the various specifications. Currently the Guam Police Department chief of police approves or denies an application for such a license and only those who have a good enough reason to own a concealed firearms license may be permitted." Tennessee: Open Carry Freedoms Act of 2014" HB2409 & SB2424 Open Carry No Permit There are twp identical bills, one for the House and One for the senate http://wapp.capitol.tn.gov/apps/BillInfo/Default.aspx?BillNumber=HB2409&ga=108 and http://wapp.capitol.tn.gov/apps/BillInfo/Default.aspx?BillNumber=%20SB2424&GA=108 "Firearms and Ammunition - As introduced, provides, effective September 1, 2014, that only those persons who want to carry a handgun concealed are required to have a handgun permit, and permits conversion of handgun carry permit upon its expiration to a concealed carry permit by regular renewal process. - Amends TCA Title 10, Chapter 7; Title 33; Title 38; Title 39; Title 40 and Title 70." " Louisiana: Hunting with Suppressor Bill Passes House, Goes to Senate http://www.nraila.org/legislation/state-legislation/2014/4/louisiana-house-passes-nra-backed-bill-expanding-use-of-suppressors-while-hunting-game.aspx "This week, the Louisiana House of Representatives passed NRA-supported House Bill 186 by an 82 to 15 vote. Sponsored by state Representative Cameron Henry (R-Metairie), HB 186 would allow for the use of lawfully-owned suppressors while hunting all game animals. HB 186 now goes to the state Senate for its consideration. " Ohio: Hunting with Suppressor Bill Passes House, Goes to Senate http://www.nraila.org/legislation/state-legislation/2014/4/ohio-suppressor-bill-passes-house-goes-to-senate.aspx "HB 234, sponsored by state Representative Cheryl Grossman (R-23), would revise state law to allow a person to use a firearm sound suppressor while hunting in the Buckeye State. Currently, more than half of the states across the country permit hunters to use suppressors while hunting."

A good excuse would be that the COE was lost in a flood from Hurricane Sandy.

Michigan: lifts ban on SBS/SBR signed by Governor Short Barreled Shotguns and Short Barreled Rifles are allowed now in Michigan. The governor signed it into law. SBS and SBR are regulated NFA items. http://www.legislature.mi.gov/%28S%28d4rmwerzlh1nla552qnu5f3i%29%29/mileg.aspx?page=BillStatus&objectname=2013-SB-0610 ""Weapons; firearms; manufacture, possession, or transfer of certain short-barreled shotguns or rifles; allow. Amends sec. 224b of 1931 PA 328 (MCL 750.224b)." 3/25/2014 SJ 31 Pg. 442 PRESENTED TO GOVERNOR 3/24/2014 @ 11:14 AM 4/22/2014 Expected in SJ 34 APPROVED BY GOVERNOR 3/26/2014 @ 9:10 PM 4/22/2014 Expected in SJ 34 FILED WITH SECRETARY OF STATE 3/27/2014 @ 12:00 PM 4/22/2014 Expected in SJ 34 ASSIGNED PA 0063'14 WITH IMMEDIATE EFFECT

APRIL 18 according to this thread at THR http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=747885 "Drake Scheduled for Conference SCOTUS has scheduled Drake v. Jerejian http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files...ke-v-jerejian/ for conference on April 18. Any legal minds out there care to opine on the chances of it being granted cert? .

Oceanside California: Gun store owner halts ATF Raid This one is starting to make the news. I spotted this today on the GOA Facebook alerts. The ATF wanted names of 5,000 customers who bought an 80% lower for building an AR-15. The gun owner filed for a restraining order "in anticipation of the raid". The store owner refused to hand over the information. The restraining order is temporary, this could go to court March 20 2014 if an agreement is not reached. http://fox5sandiego.com/2014/03/12/gun-store-owner-halts-federal-raid/#axzz2vrYVWzYv “They were going to search all of our facilities and confiscate our computer and pretty much shut our business down,” said Karras. “The government invades our privacy on a daily basis and everyone thinks its ok. This is one of those situations where hopefully the governmental institutions will come in say this is protected and no you’re not taking it from them.” The ATF threatened to shut their business down if the Ares Armor did not cooperate with the demands of the ATF. "Karras said the ATF threatened to shutter their business if they didn’t hand over the names of 5,000 customers who have purchased an 80 percent lower receiver (the base) for building an AR-15." More Information at http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/03/daniel-zimmerman/ares-armor-holds-atf-raid-now/ "At no point during the manufacturing process by EP Armory is a weapon made and then reverted. The solid fire-control cavity is built first and the rest of the 80% casting is made around this “core” specifically so that their product at no time could be considered to be a firearm." The owners affidavit here http://aresarmor.com/store/NewsArticle/Temporary_Restraining_Order_Against_BATFE?utm_source=13Mar2014+ATF+Court+Order&utm_campaign=13MAR14-ATFdispute&utm_medium=email More here http://aresarmor.com/store/index.php?app=cms&ns=xmodnewsrss_detail&ref=Temp_Restraining_Order_Against_BATFE&sid=bhjo04j6254x232066h2a0c83bt9np1e "Our customer’s privacy is of the utmost importance to us. I cannot in good moral conscience turn over a list of names to the BATFE just because they unduly threaten us with an unjust raid based on information they KNOW TO BE FALSE!" I think we need to watch this situation closely.

it looks that way They were trying to get that Universal Back Ground passed in New Hampshire and I believe it was shot down (pun intended). Even Gabby and her "UBC tour" couldn't persuade them. Maine could go constitutional carry or...it might get worse for conceal carry there according to the OP. http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=9389166 "We once again have a chance at getting Constitutional conceal carry in Maine. That's the good news.. The BAD news is that if we don't get it, our whole process of conceal carry will change dramatically for the worse. Basically, MAJORITY report on LD-222 would eliminate the town's ability to grant conceal carry, instead going through the all might state in one centralized database (bad)."

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There is one silver lining. Detroit's Police Chief James Craig is pro-gun ! http://www.ammoland.com/2014/02/as-detroits-police-chief-preaches-guns-citizens-fight-back-against-violent-crime/#axzz2vnG9s4qH “There’s a number of [Concealed Pistol License (CPL)] holders running around the city of Detroit. I think it acts as a deterrent. Good Americans with CPLs translates into crime reduction. I learned that real quick in the state of Maine.” Cheif Craig was also Police Chief of Cincinnati (just across the river from here). I thought he did a good job over there as well. Perhaps the police chief needs to talk to the "Detroit National Action Network" and set them straight. Here are some more interesting items from that article. "In just one week in the city of Detroit, there were three armed citizen self defense shootings, which resulted in three arrests, no physical injuries to the victims, and the deaths of two very violent and dangerous predators. In all, it has been a great week for “Good Americans With Guns.” In addition, Chief Craig will continue to beat the drum for an armed local citizenry. With any luck, more Detroit residents will heed the call and become legally armed in Detroit." Now if we can only get more pro-gun Police Chiefs to go on record as Chief Craig did, it would be a very good thing.

Michigan - Stand your ground under assault There is a an effort to repeal Michigan's "Stand Your Ground Law" by having a petition drive to put it on November's ballot and to influence legislators at the state capitol in Lansing to repealing the law. http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/24935861/battle-underway-to-repeal-michigans-stand-your-ground-law "We will make sure that on this November ballot that we get the opportunity to strike a blow for justice for Trayvon Martin, to strike a blow for justice for Renisha McBride," says Rev. Charles Williams of the Detroit National Action Network."