45Doll

While I agree with much of what Bach says about CC being better than other options, I certainly do not consider him a strong 2A supporter, for the historical reasons we're all aware of. Read this and see what you think. And I definitely wouldn't characterize him as a 'strong supporter' of NJ gun owners. If he wasn't considering running for president, he might have resurrected his Automatic Assault Weapons Ban campaign flyer. http://www.unionleader.com/Another-View-Scott-L-Bach-Chris-Christies-strong-record-supporting-NJ-gun-owners

Alright. Let's assume the re-labeling was a total screw-up, and that no signature required. The package is dropped off. Then, someone with a devious intention should have spirited the entire package off to an undisclosed location. And when other parties came calling said "What package? Those front porch thieves must have made off with it." Still dumb. And of course, illegal.

It's my understanding all firearm shipments require signature. If this guy signed for it I can't imagine how he thought he'd get away with it.

Size matters? LOL

I'm leaving for Dayton now. I just sold all my Glocks. And my wife's.

Don't read too much into my post. It wasn't some dark, deep seated objective. It was just something I considered doing. My 'accomplishment' would be successfully building an AR-15 from a receiver I finished myself. I'm not much of a machinist, and I would consider it a challenge. I will not risk a felony crime in NJ to do it. Hence my query about statutory or administrative prohibitions. It might be that somewhere in the future an unserialized untraceable firearm might have value. Or the ability to build one without government permission or record. But that is not the case at the moment. In the meantime, I'm also looking at an AR build with a finished receiver. That is obviously an easier, if not 'easy', path.

Well right now I would not say it's 'important' to me. It was just another path I considered (fool that I am) towards building an AR-15 from scratch. Ten years from now the ability to build your own rifle totally from scratch might be important. I'm sure a huge black market will arise if necessary, but participating in one involves other risks.

Good one, but is that still legal in NJ? I think in NY it now has to be any color but black. LOL Black Guns Matter.

Yes, I already have. I was specifically fantasizing about an unserialized lower. Unfortunately New Jersey is a long way from Fantasy Land. I'm drinking my third cup now.

What's really funny is that for a few minutes I actually had the faint hope that it might be legal in NJ! I only had two cups this morning. Fortunately it's still OK in PA where I plan to be by 1/2018. Or if I'm really determined, I'll go live with my family in PA for a while and finish a lower there. (Probably not, since finished lowers are already in my safe.) It may be that an unfinished lower kit would be worth having around, if it remains unfinished. The times they are a changin'.

My search on 80% or 80 Percent lowers didn't turn up anything. Unfinished lowers brought me two. I apologize for being boring.

Thank you. I found 2C-58 where they referred to manufacturers and wholesalers 'engaging in the business of'. This section makes no such distinction. So as I thought, nix in NJ once again. Thanx siderman.

Do you happen to have Title 2 or 13 references handy? I didn't see reference to unfinished lower receivers. The unfinished lower threads were all encrypted.

Is anyone aware of any laws in New Jersey dealing with the purchase of 80% lowers, and their subsequent finishing and possession? Please note: I'm not referring to the hassles you might get if found in possession of an unserialized lower or completed rifle you built yourself, especially outside your house. I am interested in specific statutory or administrative code prohibitions. I can't find any, and a search of the forums didn't turn up a thread on this.

Baaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh!

In a former life I was the famous Preventer Of Information Services. Always fun.

That's been true for a long time as far as I know. There's no shortage. But the case prices did go up about $20 in a week. No surprise there.

Right. Since you brought it up, I wonder if the DMV ID card has more room for a long name, and whether they would issue one in addition to a DL? Don't know... yet. Apparently there is no NJSP 'policy' to cover this situation. If someone knows of one please post.

The applicant already has a DL. I would think the NJSP would recognize the NJDMV name constraint and accept the application with the full name, and DL with the (one letter!) truncation as they are and issue the documents with the full legal name. But then, I'm a reasonable citizen and not the State Of NJ. I'm really waiting to see if there's anyone who has crossed this bridge.

A friend of mine is applying for an FPID card and P2Ps at a NSJP barracks. The last name is hyphenated and long, and the last letter was left off the NJ driver's license since it didn't fit. Now at application time, the DL doesn't match the full name the applicant put on the application, or other documents like a passport. Supposedly the state trooper doesn't know how to handle this, or if approval is possible. Has anyone else run into this? And if so, was there a solution offered by the NJSP Firearms Unit? Or possibly, how do you apply for a FPID or P2P if you don't have a driver's license? (Use a passport instead?)

Hahahaha! When I bring back brass from the range, I go through it to cull out steel, AL, lead, rim fires etc. so I'm a good customer and just send back re-loadable brass. When I do that invariably I have to separate the 9s in 40s in 45s etc. to find the rim fire and other stuff. So inevitably I thought about 'what if I deliberately stuff 9 into 40 into 45 etc.? How many pounds could I get into that box??? I guess the answer is: 59!!!! Then the return price dropped to $1.80/pound and I said the hell with it. I just massage them around a little to make the box 'flat'.

52#s is my standard stuffing for brass back to FM. Have to massage the brass a little to let 9's slip into .40s slip into .45s etc. But when closed it's very flat. At 59#s it must have been bloated! I'm laughing. Nice try.

This is why our target date of escape is January 2018!

I caught this on NJTV New yesterday. There was an undercover video sting on the arbitrary denial of a pistol permit. http://www.njtvonline.org/news/video/second-amendment-society-claims-police-departments-delaying-and-denying-handgun-permits/ I thought the exposure of this was a plus. Nice work Alex.

I completely agree with the point of your argument. We also have to consider that currently courts interpret totally specific language however they like and without redress. So once you create a law that's open to interpretation.... good luck. "Within 30 days of application..." means thirty days from when the state figures it's ready. "Within 30 days of the election..." means make changes to the ballot anytime if there's no electable Democrat candidate.(Torricelli) And so on.