RedBowTies88

Only becuase it holds exactly the capicity of the marlin, I figure it would be less mess with extra rounds in the loader. Let me know how it works for you though... I've been strongly considering one.

Tell them they're wrong and explain why. My marlin came from cabelas and they had no problem selling to me.

They make 17 round spee-d loaders, why didn't you get that one? also, you'll find it holds 25 shorts as per marlins specifications. actually i've some to realize mine holds 26.

handguns only, you can go buy ten if you can afford them

My marlin holds 26 shorts...perfectly legal

So then how are they not going to arrest the people running it for transporting the guns from the church. They cant just enforce it on you and not them. they can not on either of you but i assure you if it was one and not the other the SWHTF

that doesn't even appear to be questionable,... It's more like a definitely banned shotgun.

Man I read that thread title all wrong.. Its ok, I like pepsi anyway.

You're absolutly correct, the stock would be partly under the action. But it still would not be conspicuous IMHO and thats what I'm basing my argument on. I honestly don't mind the factory stock, In fact for giggles while I was converting my .223 I threw on the warsaw stock and left the stock FCG and it actually make it even more comfy with the short LOP. My issue is the terrible trigger, specially on a hunting weapon. percision is needed.

Arrest you for what? Buy them legally and transport them legally.

Interesting.....

There's nothing they can do to stop you from doing FTF longun transactions in the parking lot as long as buyer and seller have FIDs... I like the BB gun idea, walmart sells cheapo corssmans from <$30

Both those links are fairly conspicuous... however you might be able to make a case for them not being under the action.

I'm taking it's location relative to the action out of the equation. I'm focusing on weather or not a thumbhole stock is conspicuous. Is it "easily seen or noticed"? I think not ( IANAL of course) In order for it to be considered a pistol grip it must be conspicuous. reguardless of its location under the action. A gun ignorant (if you will) jury would probably only help in this case as they certinally at first glance wouldn't pick out the pistol grip likeness of that type of stock in my opinion. If i showed one to my mom she would just think its a funny looking stock. If I were to show her an AR and ask her what that thiing is under the action I'm sure she could say its a pistol grip.

Oh I wouldn't argue about the stock being partly under the action I would argue that fact that it must "Conspicuously" protrude. con·spic·u·ous    /kənˈspɪkyuəs/ Show Spelled[kuhn-spik-yoo-uhs] Show IPA adjective 1. easily seen or noticed; readily visible or observable: a conspicuous error. 2. attracting special attention, as by outstanding qualities or eccentricities: He was conspicuous by his booming laughter. I think a decent lawyer could definitly sucessfully argue that a thumbhole stock does NOT "conspicuously" protrude below the action.

I think "conspicuously" is the key wood. I think you would be hard pressed to find a jury that would consider a thumbhole stock conspicous. IMHO and IANAL

they supply the clays.

So, If the statute simply lists "pistol grip" as making the weapon illegal does this then apply? "z. "Pistol grip" means a well-defined handle, similar to that found on a handgun, that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, and which permits the shotgun to be held and fired with one hand" If i'm not mistaken I believe on the rifle "evil features list" It defines a pistol grip as a defined pistol-like grip the protrudes conspicusiously benith the action.. Basically trying to argue the legality of a thumbole type stock like found on a PAP type rifle on a shotgun.

Ugh that's such bs. I was really planning on getting another saiga in .410 and using some type of thumbole stock with a G2 to make it my hunting weapon.

Thats like asking a born and raised slave to imagine what its like to be free

The pistol grip bolt comes through the same hole as your trigger does now.

Not really, .223 and 7.62 are cheaper then .45acp

Na, if I'm going to go full auto its going to be something with a lot more punch then a pistol cartridge

Carolina shooter supply ships here. I agree with vlad, not converting the gun is a mistake. You can get a dremel from home depot for $50 or less and it will do all the gringing you need without issue. Not to mention come in handy many more times in the future for all kinds of stuff I cannot emphasize enough how easy it is to do this conversion.

So a thumbhole stock is now a pistol grip? I know PAP stocks don't fit on saiga's but if it did that would be considered a pistol grip?