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Excellent info Raz-0! Thanks for posting.

That was actually a pretty good representation of a fairly standard IAD to break contact.. The 4 badguys immediately exit their car and spread out creating 4 individual targets to worry about, all the while hammering their adversary with overwhelming fire superiority offering their buddy a chance to break out. It looks like they are in each other's way due to the camera angle, but they had pretty good individual fire lanes. As to the headshot -yeah it's still Hollywood. But realistically, at that distance with an optic equipped rifle, mechanical offset is mechanical offset. Put the dot just above his hairline and press. I could grab any one of my guy's rifles and be confident to make that shot even though their rifle isn't zeroed to me specifically.

I'd say cloth sports tape and take the slings off in the safe and in the rifle bags.

He's messing. He'll be there.

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I will be there. Looking forward to it.

Unless you want to take a low light class just because 'Merica! Or you want to hunt Hog or Coyote at night somewhere that activity is legal. Or you are prior service military and you want to keep your skills up. Or you have a hundred other legitimate uses for wanting and acquiring NODS and a DBAL.

My second point of contention is the above statement. It's not fluff for me - it is mission essential equipment. He may not need it on his rifle, but why is he telling me that my choices, based on my desired task, are rediculous? PS: I still love you Ray

Agree 100000% Walt and no hard feelings as all brother. Hell, if you look through my old posts, you will see that I generally recommend "Sling, light, and optic" as adequate for 99% of what you need a rifle to do. My main point of contention was Ray's earlier statement: In addition to answering a new shooters honest question completely false, and the fact that his opinion is being based solely on what he thinks everyone should have, these kind of blanket statements just suck. Ray doesn't know the OPs intended use either. Maybe a laser or a bipod are appropriate for him. Maybe he just wants them? He didn't ask for opinions on what he should have, he asked if he's allowed to have more. The answer to his question is "No, there is no maximum number of accessories/attachments, you can have more than a light, optic, and grip" The point of my second post is that we don't outfit our guns in a vacuum. There are reasons for, and against, certain equipment. SD/HD, competition, EOTW, education/training, etc... Some equipment is indicated and some isn't based on what we want our guns to do for us. Maybe his goal is to take a long range night fighter type course, or maybe a shoothouse class? Maybe it's a SHTF gun or a simple HD weapon? In any event, the answer remains, you can add as many accessories on your rifle as you would like. And yes, training is great. But sometimes you need certain equipment to complete certain tasks.

Running up the hill is only half the equation. After you run up that hill, attempt to accomplish a specific task, and then see what you can live without. Run up the hill in the dark then correctly engage a series of shoot/no shoot targets without giving away your position prior to shooting. See if that 8oz is worth it. Run up that hill then engage a series of targets from 100 to 1000 yards on an unknown distance range and see what you can hit with one shot per target. See if you want to ditch that range finder and bipod.

Jesus Christ. Everything I listed above can be considered VITAL to a shooter who needs it on their rifle to accomplish their task. Does everyone need all of that gear? No, of course not. But "Light, Optic, and Vert Grip" is not the end all be all of rifle accessories especially when a sling should be the first thing you add to any long gun intended for social purposes. For crying out loud a DBAL weighs ~8 oz, not 8 lbs. It is not a kettlebell on the end of your rifle. I have NODs, I know how to use them. I have a DBAL I know how to use that. It makes me more effective and more capable. How does 8oz on my rifle break me? It doesn't. As I stated above, the mission drives the gear train. A more capable weapon system designed around the parameters of a stated task and in the hands of someone that knows how to run it, is always a more better weapon system. Even if it adds a few ounces to your weapon.

@Ray Ray So now you changed your mind and there is a purpose for PCCs?

Wait wait wait.... Just yesterday in this thread: You said:

If you don't have NODs you don't need anything with an IR laser or IR illuminator. That would be a silly waste of money. But, if you have NODs, a mission that requires them, and are expecting to use them to their fullest potential, you need IR capabilities. The point is - just because Ray Ray thinks anything other than what he wants is useless, doesn't make it true.

As an example - You can't shoot steel comps with a rifle caliber.

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That's weird.... And wouldnt that make them PIS?

Just because you can't think of a reason doesn't mean there isn't one Ray.

Sling is mandatory before optic and arguably before light. The mission drives the gear train: Folding BUIS DBAL/ATPIAL/MAWL Bipod Hand stop Barricade grabber Magnified scope W/ 45* RDS or Irons Scope Bubble Rangefinder Clip-on NOD Tripod mount Camera mount and many more are all acceptable if you need them to accomplish the task at hand.

Good post. If the weather ever cooperates, timely as well! And remember, the best "lifeguards" have zero saves, because they can identify problems before they happen.

And a Mesa Urbino stock. How do you like that?

It may be but, Einstein Bagels/Manhatten Bagels was more than just NJ.