High Exposure

NJ's Attorney General already offered the opinion that the NJ ban on "stun guns" is unconstitutional. There is a NJGF thread with discussion here: http://www.njgunforums.com/forum/index.php/topic/84027-nj-stun-gun-law-ruled-unconstitutional/page-4#entry1080759

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:rofl: So, you are ok believing in the premise of the show that the dead are rising and eating people, but a guy calling himself "king" and having a pet tiger, basically being Mike Tyson, that's where you draw the line? :rofl:

Mounting it at 45* off the main rail is the "A" answer here. The RDS above the magnified optic is less than ideal for social occasions.

That receiver extension does not look right. - The threaded portion is longer than it should be - the threaded portion being the weakest part of the tube. - The stock adjustment holes look very shallow. - There is a weird half circle cut-out in the shelf that should hold the buffer retaining pin at the bottom of the threaded portion. - The front portion of the fin with the milled slot for the stock adjustment lock looks too long from where it ramps up to the first adjustment hole. - And for $12 I'm not sure its 7075. They may work fine for you now that they are a usable interior dimension and I hope they are trouble free for you for the next 100 years, but they are not "in-spec". Good luck with them and the concept of what you are doing is out-F'n-standing!

You are being foolish. Owning your shit doesn't make anything "all better". In this instance, owning it doesn't bring this kid back. Owning it is just taking responsibility for your lack of training,your poor judgement, the momentary lapse in your attention to detail and taking your punishment like an adult - Up to and including the sleepless nights thinking about what should have been done differently. It makes the reasons why a tragedy happened clear to those who wouldn't otherwise understand. It is knowing before you touch a firearm that you need to engage your brain before handling it and do this the correct way. If you can do that, you won't have to "own" anything. If you are mature enough to possess and/or carry a gun, you should also be mature enough for some serious introspection into why you carry. Have some self discussion and reflection on how well thought out your carry method is, and how to make sure something like this doesn't happen. Talk to people that are more experinced that you are and pick their brains - there isn't a gun person alive that won't talk about different ways to carry. Compare and contrast your methods with theirs - you may learn something even if it's what not to do. Review for yourself the steps you take when taking your gun out of the holster, safe,or case in anything but a true self defense emergency and understand that not following those steps is unsafe and dangerous. Training teaches you what to be careful about. What to watch out for, what can happen, and teaches you methods to reduce a dangerous situation to a less dangerous situation without being unsafe. It builds confidence and reduces complacency. It keeps certain key concepts fresh in your mind. Look, this isn't rocket science: - Gun has bullets in it - Bullets come out the pointy end - Trigger makes gun go boom - Don't aim pointy end at good stuff If someone can't remember these four things the entire time they have a gun in your hand, maybe they should stick to crayons - because if you can't remember them, people can die and it will be your fucking fault. Meanwhile everyone that wants to violate the 2A will blame all of us and use it as one more knot in the rope they are trying to hang us with. Although that's the very attainable goal, you don't have to be 100% all the time you are carrying a gun, but you have to be at least 25% all the time the you are touching one. For example, I carry a Glock all the time for almost 14 years now. I have pointed my gun at a lot of people. As an instructor, I have drawn, pointed, touched, and shot my gun around even more people. I have never had an ND, even with my 5.5lb striker fired pistol. There is a reason for that. Newtonian, you talk about being the least experienced person here regarding actually carrying a gun, you allude to being so uncomfortable you carry Condition 3. Instead of making jokes and telling everyone why you think they are wrong because you think one brand/style of gun is more inherently likely for this to happen than another, why don't you learn something from folks that are more experienced than you are at this aspect of the shooting lifestyle? You seem a smart and detail oriented guy. I just often don't understand your mindset.

I recommend an Aimpoint PRO for your stated purpose. Any suitable self defense round will penetrate modern CONUS construction materials at common FISH (Fighting In Someone's House) distances. However, a .223 actually penetrates less, shedding velocity and mass faster than most other rounds, making it less devastating to anything it hits beyond the first barrier it comes into contact with. [ We issue Fed TRU .223 64gr Soft Nose for our rifles at work for patrol and SWAT.

Can't you just remove the heat shield, install the light mount, then replace the heatshield? Every set of standard plastic hand guards for an AR I have seen had the ability to remove the heat shields....

The 2A should not be restricted by training requirements. That being said, you are responsible for what happens when you handle a firearm. If a mistake is made, you need to own it. If you are untrained and something happens it is fully on you and your decision to be untrained. I personally feel every gun owner should want to have a level of training that would enable them to own and handle firearms in a manner that would ensure their own safety and the safety of those around them. That includes using them decisively and appropriately as a weapon for protection and as a tool for recreation and competition. But I know I can't make others feel that way. Training appropriate to your task would enhance anyone, regardless of your background. Anyone resistant to that idea probably wouldn't get much out of any training they attended anyway. Ultimately, it is incumbent on every firearm owner to make sure they have the training they feel is adequate to own firearms and use them safely. For some that is a life of learning. For others a single class will suffice and for others still, they know everything already and don't feel training is necessary for them.

I just want to address this statement because it is something I hear often, and while it is accurate, it is not an insurmountable problem. Yes, it is impossible to be as vigilant as you should be 100% of the time while carrying or handling a firearm. This is flat unadulterated truth. Those that have come before us learned in blood and tears that there needed to be guidelines to the safe and proper handling of firearms. There were multiple many faceted sets of rules for firearms safety out there. Col. Jeff Cooper, described by many to be the father of modern gun fighting techniques distilled the many guidelines circulating through the shooting community and combined them with his knowledge of gun handling and instruction into 4 simple rules designed to keep shooters and those around shooters safe while in the presence of firearms. These have become the standard "Firearms Safety Rules" that you see posted at every range, printed on every range safety waiver and spouted by every firearms instructor out there. In some form or another they are as follows: - Always treat a weapon as if it is loaded, until you safely verify that it is unloaded - Don't point a weapon at anything you are not ready, willing, and justified to destroy or kill - Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready and justified to fire - Be aware of your threat, your backstop, your foreground, and surrounding conditions at all times Now here is the beauty of the now universally accepted four rules - they are overlapping and redundant. The commonly accepted goal is to follow all four whenever a firearm is present, however, as long as you follow just 1 of them, doesn't matter which one, you can avoid tragedy and have an embarassing cautionary tale instead of a heart wrenching tragedy. I think a lot of instructors/teachers do shooters a disservice by glossing over the safety brief. Just reiterating the rules isn't enough. You need to spend time explaining the meaning behind the rules. Take a moment to illuminate for your students the checks and balances built into the rules. Explain the difference between dangerous and unsafe - it is an important distinction when conducting firearms training, especially when training folks that plan on carrying a firearms for self defense. Explain when it is ok to be unsafe, and when it is ok to be dangerous. I do carry every day. I always carry some form of Glock .40S&W. Whatever Glock I currently carry, I carry with a round in the chamber followed by a loaded mag. I also follow the four rules at all times to the best of my ability. If I make a mistake and break one rule, I have the other three to back them up. It isn't hard, it isn't an inconvenience, it isn't stressful or taxing in any way. I don't fear the gun going off, I don't fear an ND. It's almost zen when you are comfortable with your carry method and your firearm.

Ok. Subjective qualities of Glocks aside.... It's still a software issue. He violated rule 3. If he had been following rule 1, his finger pressing on the trigger should have produced a click instead of a bang. If he followed rules 2, and/or 4 his ND would have gone into the floor, wall, or anyplace other than this Jr Firefighters body. Bottom line - The gun went off because that guy pressed the trigger when he shouldn't have. Doesn't matter if the gun had a 1/2lb trigger or a 100lb trigger, if his finger didn't touch it, it wouldn't go bang. Additionally, if it wasn't pointed at this Jr Firefighter, it wouldn't have hit him in the chest. It is simple, if this guy would have engaged his brain while carrying a gun, this tragedy would not have occurred. It's called a negligent discharge for a reason. Negligence implies a shirking of responsibility. Hardware doesn't have responsibility - people do. The only valid excuse to this incident is if he meant to kill this kid - that he purposefully drew a gun he knew was loaded, pointed it at something he wanted to destroy, deliberately placed his finger in the trigger, considered his surroundings and pressed. If that wasn't the case, if this was not a purposeful act, than he needs to own this 100%. And here is the important part - As a community we have to be relentless when it comes to calling out shooters that make these mistakes. We need to assure non shooters that we take safety seriously and assuage their fears of guns randomly going off and killing kids, placing the blame squarely on the guy operating the gun. The second we start blaming the tools, the anti-gunners win as that's their argument - "Guns kill". Our appropriate and correct response is "No, guns are a tool, they can't make decisions and lack the ability to think. People kill." And that is true even in cases like this that are a tragic mistake. The gun didn't kill this kid, the gun owner did. That being said - there have been plenty NDs before 1988. Revolvers have no safeties, and there has been a couple of NDs with them. DA/SA pistols have NDs often when the operator forgets to de-cock prior to holstering. Shooters forget to place guns on safe. They forget to make sure guns are unloaded. These are all software issues. Until they make a gun with an onboard AI that has an IFF function that won't let the fun fire unless it is guaranteed to hit a verifiable threat to whomever possess the gun, there will be NDs. Whether or not that negligence kills someone depends solely on whether or not the operator of that weapon has engaged his brain and followed the remaining safety rules.

Screwball, nicely done! Robar is good people and their work is flawless. I know Lt Col Blish (retired) who just took over the company. Solid guy and a wealth of info. In addition to the coating work they do, their new Polymer ARs are insane!

Excellent comparison! She was soooo hot in Excalibur!

This. He has forgotten the face of his father.

He broke all 4 commonly accepted rules for firearm safety. • He treated a loaded gun as if it was unloaded • He pointed it at something he was not authorized to destroy or kill • His finger was on the trigger • He was not aware of his target, foreground, backstop, or changing conditions If he would have followed one, just ONE, of the the four firearms safety rules, this wouldn't have happened. Don't blame the hardware for a software issue. The average human hand can exert around 38lbs of pressure in an unintentional flinch or startle response. The only hardware solution to this is a 39lb trigger. NDs have happened since before striker fired pistols. They happen to revolvers, semi-autos with safeties and DA guns. They will continue to happen as long as people are careless and disregard the safety rules. A foreign object in a trigger guard will cause any gun to fire. To the reporter - A "Glock model 17.9mm"? WOW! That is either a big (17.9mm) or a small (.9mm) bullet!

I buy good stuff, I have never had a problem like described by the OP. I know you buy good stuff, I bet you have had few issues like this. I know there are a few guys here that feel the same way and buy quality. I bet they rarely of ever have these kinds of issues. You could have the world's bestest most perfect BCG in your carbine. If you install an out of spec buffer that binds up in the receiver extension, or is the wrong weight, or the wrong length, the gun still won't work. Every part has to be in spec - even the buffer (and in the OPs case it is the receiver extension, not the buffer). The issue is that when you buy a low quality part because it is "cheaper" you don't get to pick what component of the part is out of spec. Is it materials, dimensions, weight? Is it properly tightened and stakes? Does it not work now, or will it catastrophically fail later? Is it a combination? With a low quality manufacturer you don't know. There is a range of quality from in-spec to boutique parts with accompanying price tags. You don't have to buy a $300 buffer that is adjustable weight and made from the heart of a meteor, but at the least it should be in spec. For example - Understanding that spending $20-$25 on an in spec carbine buffer from a reputable manufacturer from a known store instead of $12-$18 for buffer made by God knows who at Uncle Cheech's Tactical Warehouse shouldn't be a stretch. Additionally, if you gamble on the quality and the buffer from Uncle Cheech comes in and it doesn't work, you should not be surprised.

I know right?!? Ty is awesome!

^^^ this 100% A female that wants to learn to shoot is a better stundent by a factor of ten than their male counterparts.

I think I the biggest turn off to teaching new female shooters is they think that they will be treated differently than a male shooter. What can be more condescending than saying "Here, this is a girl's gun. See? It's little and pink and shoots these little bullets so you won't be scared...." There aren't any "female friendly" firearms. There are just firearms. The same process you would go through to teach a male shooter should be followed for a female shooter. The shooter should pick what they want to own and shoot after progressing to the point they are comfortable with their chosen weapon. Whether you as a shooter end up wanting a pink gun that shoots .22lr, or a chrome .44Mag, or something in the middle - as long as you are comfortable, have a solid base of gun safety, and are fully grounded in the advantages and limitations of your chosen piece, you are good to go - regardless if you are a man or a woman.

And yet, here we are.... The OP bought parts of dubious quality from an unknown business and they are out of spec. This is my shocked face ->

Parts ain't parts. These things are not created equal. Buy quality gear from a reputable manufacturer and these things don't happen. Don't hack your buffer. Buy proper parts.

This is the answer. Remember, he owns the shotgun and he doesn't have to give it back. If he is caught doing something wrong, or god forbid there is an accident, and the shotgun is seized, it's lawfully his shotgun. You have no recourse to recover it and no rights to claim ownership. Like T Bill said, make sure he is a good buddy.

^^^ This Running 50 rounds through a short barreled .38 J Frame is a miserable way to spend the day as a new shooter.

Excellent idea!

Well done! Thanks to everyone that participated and congratulations to our very own Fishnut!