High Exposure

G45, You still duct taping plates to your back? Don't forget to protect the Mayor's nephew's virginity so Todd at SW can get you the gear you need.

While the CDI factor is high, the juice ain't worth the squeeze unless you are working some kind of VIP protection, low profile security, or vehicle ops gig. If you are, I am sure you will be issued appropriate gear.

That's a Glock mag. It's a Glock in one of those lame carbine kits. Probably Isreali Military or Police.

I have a soft spot for bullpup rifles. I don't have a Tavor but they intrigue me. My MSAR has been great but now that Microtech is out of the rifle business, I may just need to pick up a Tavor to satisfy my bulpup affliction with a weapon platform that has some commercial support. Like PJD stated they are great as legal SBR's. There are some drawbacks, but they aren't deal breakers when viewed against thier advantages. I have an MSAR with a 16" barrel and it is more compact than my issued Colt Commando with 11.5" barrel. Keep in mind that the manual of arms on a bulpup is very different and most manipulations a take longer than on an AR platform. Because if that it's hard to compare the two platforms as apples to apples.

I'm not sure about civil law, but from a criminal standpoint, if someone is getting their mail at an address and has belongings established in a residence in such a way as to indicate that they live there: clothes in a closet, their own dresser full stuff, 2 towels in the bathroom and their own toiletries strewn about, photos on the wall, etc.... I can't make them leave without arresting them.

If everyone that practiced open carry used a Safariland level II or III holster I would have a little less of a problem with it. Unfortunately, everyone seems to carry in an Uncle Cheech Bargain Basement Holster. I would also have a little less of a problem if people practicing OC also had a little bit of situational awareness. A cop at work is not a dad out with his family, in responsibility or mindset. Also, carrying your pistol on a duty belt as a uniformed officer while working is not comprable to going to Wallmart/Home Depot/Costco with your family. Apples to hand grenades.

There are times when OC makes sense: working on your property, in the back-country, hunting, etc.... Going shopping, being in view and, more importantly, in reach of the public, or anytime you are going to be surrounded by strangers, it's just dumb IMO.

Just because you can doesn't mean you should. There is a time and place to OC your blaster. Shopping at WalMart isn't it. Don't be this guy. Cover your shit: http://bearingarms.com/felon-attacks-open-carrier-weapon-washington-walmart/?utm_source=gpfbp&utm_medium=fbpage&utm_campaign=gpupdate That's part of the story, but definitely not all of it, or even the most important part. As is so often the case, the real story emerged in the comments to the article, where Brad Walker, who self-identified as the father of the victim, explained that the criminal's apparent goal was to steal his son's openly carried Sig Sauer pistol. Mr. Walker goes on to state that the man who attacked his son for his weapon was a convicted felon with previous assaults on his record. He also stated that he thinks that his son will now follow his advice and carry his weapon concealed from now on. Open carriers have been robbed before of their weapons, and it appears that the suspect in this case and in prior instances was set upon by a criminal in a crime of opportunity. While open carry is legal in most parts of the nation, comparatively few people who have the option exercise it, and almost none who have considerable self-defense training take this route. Well-trained gun owners instead preferring to carry concealed so as to maintain anonymity so that they don't stand out as a target for criminals and retain the tactical advantage of being armed, but not visibly so.

Shorty Long is great! We had a band called "The Fuzzpops" play at my wedding. The were stellar. They even learned a new song that we wanted played for our wedding song. http://www.fuzzpops.com

I'm all for body cameras. I have never had a camera get me in trouble, and I have had my MVR camera in my squad car vindicate more times than I can count. Here's the problem with cameras as I see them. What do I do the first time someone tells me that I can't come in their house with a camera? How much of an invasion of privacy is an officer recording everything in your home while you are at your worst. We don't get called to birthday parties or graduation celebrations. We aren't exaclty going to be getting footage you would want played at your retirement dinner. The footage is OPRA eligible. What happens when your asshole neighbor comes and requests it? Or your father in law, or DYFS, or a divorce attorney, or your employer? Do I arrest someone because they won't let me in? Do I just say "fuck it" and walk away, without investigating a potential crime? Cameras also don't show everything. I have seen plenty of instances where body cameras showed something pretty damning, only to have MVR cameras with a different angle show the Cops actions were justified 100%. Without that extra footage, the body camera perspective alone would have sent the cop to prison for 90 years. The biggest thing is to put a disclaimer before every Cop/criminal law related TV show and Movie - "This is not real life. What you see is not how the system really works. This show is not an accurate depiction of what your actual rights are. Do not take this show as legal advice or an example of what to do. This is make believe." I think that would go a long way.

Holy necropost! This thread was dead for almost 2 years.

http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php/classifieds/item/4090-aimpoint-pro/'%20title='Aimpoint%20PRO PRO for $325 in our NJGF Marketplace

Whoops, wrong scorpion link. Try this one: http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php/topic/74591-cz-scorpion-evo-3nj-legal/?fromsearch=1 Thanks. ETA: just saw your edit. Either way, there is an "is it NJ legal?" Thread on both of them. The OP was a little vague...

http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php/topic/75000-vz61-legal/

Agreed. On its face, it appears to be a NJ "Assault Weapon" but it definitely isn't a machine gun or a real HKMP5. The gun the in article is not the same as the SD version in the advertisement.

I was referring to The NJGF Marketplace: http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php/forum/164-njgf-marketplace-listings-feed/

This will now keep me up for weeks! I hope it's true!

Don't think about it too hard. All the blood in your body will shoot out your nose and they will find you dead tomorrow in your bathroom.

I bet they were trained by these guys: http://www.g1tactical.com

Ah, so. That's the Insight MRDS. I have one on my MP5. It's a decent little RDS. Bigger than the Trijicon RMRs but workable. Best part about it is that but you can swap the battery without taking the whole optic off the mount and losing zero. I know L3 bought Insight Technologies in 2010. I didn't realize they moved their MRDS to the EO line. Then again I don't pay much attention to L3 since I don't like EOTechs anyway, and EO's CS went down the tubes when L3 took over.

Nope. I'm very familiar with optics at an offset. I've just never seen an EO mounted there. That has to be huge mounted at 45deg. And I'm not trying to discredit you. You said some things that didn't make sense and some things that, in my opinion which is based on my experience and background, are flat incorrect.

That's who I am waiting to hear from as well. I don't know anyone that has more knowledge and experience in the topic of magnified optics than him.

I know what FFP and SFP mean. I also know they each have their advantages and disadvantages. What I dont know, because of my limited time behind them, is what will work best for me. I also know what ranging means, thanks. You can valet park the high horse. (<- note the smiley, it means I am being lighthearted and not mean) I have done most of my shooting time behind RDS optics. I have had a few DM classes comparing RDS with variable and fixed powered scopes, but they weren't mine. I have taken one carbine course with an ACOG - not recommended. I definitely do not have enough experience to make a fully informed decision on which magnified optic to buy for myself. If you handed me a scoped rifle with either a FFP or SFP I would know how to use it, well past the basic level. What I don't know is which I would choose myself to spend my hard earned cash on. I do know that inside of 100 yards I am faster and more accurate with an RDS than a magnified optic. As an intelligent person, when I don't have enough personal experience or information, I turn to SMEs for advice. I make no bones about it, there are plenty of people here that have more knowledge about variable/magnified optics than me and I will use them to steal their knowledge so I can make a good decision before dropping $2K on an optic. I am not too worried about ranging, as this will be on a 5.56 rifle and I don't plan on shooting farther than a few hundred yards. With a properly zeroed carbine that gives me a +/- 3" spread from POA to POI out to 250 yards. That is precise enough for me. Because of that, I think a SFP optic will work better for my needs. Now back to the OPs own quest for info.

My SHTF gun is my HD gun. RDS, bright white light, sling. That's all you need. Fighting with a rifle, and especially CQB/FISHing, is what I am trained to do, and I do it pretty well. Thankfully, I have not had to drop the hammer in a real HR or CQB scenario, but I have pointed guns at plenty of bad guys and I was prepared to do it if called upon. Nothing you said above in the portion of your post that I quoted is correct from a CQB standpoint with an AR zeroed at 50 or 100 yards. There is no appreciable bullet drop at 10 yards - the issue is the sights are 2.6" over the line of bore, not that the bullet falls 2.6" in 10 yards. There is no appreciable wind effect at 10 yards. There is no stable stance or steady hold when shooting at small moving targets while on the move. You do the best you can, but you don't usually get to pick your stance/stability. Muzzle and trigger control are crucial, however mechanical offset, or as you referred to it POA v POI, rules the day inside of 25 yards. Knowing your offset holds and correctly estimating them is the single most important factor in making low percentage HR shots. Keep in mind, the closer you are, the greater the offset. When you cant your rifle, you need to adjust your offset hold in the right direction to compensate based in your zero. As far as only LEO and .Mil making HR shots, in a SHTF situation it's all about defense.... until someone wants what you have, and threatens someone you love to get it. In HD/SD CQB there is no point and shoot except in weapon retention scenarios. You use your sights and know you will get hits where you want, or you point and shoot planning to fail unless you get lucky. The latter is un-sat. If you don't have time to aim, you really don't have time to miss. ETA: Wait.... you have a scope and and an EOTech at 45deg on the same rifle?

1) Wasn't being condescending. I was simply vetting a source of information to see how much value to place on your opinion. I don't know you or your experience. Is your statement based on real world use, competition use, what you read in a magazine, or what you used in a video game. If I don't ask, I don't know. Don't take it personally. 2) Keep in mind shooting isn't fighting. OP is looking for advice on a fighting gun not a high power match gun, not a 3gun rifle. His setup has to work on moving targets, in all weather conditions, all lighting conditions, when he has to shit, when he just shit, when he's hungery, thirsty, hurt, and in any body position that will allow him to use cover/concealment well as possible. Someone smarter than me said "The mission drives the gear train". That is as true for a SHTF gun, as it is for a combat gun, a HD gun, a competition gun, or a plinker. Oh, and I don't know about you but I'm not shooting at someone in the SHTF situation at 600 yards. I'm gonna hope they walk right by me and if they get within a couple hundred yards I'll start setting myself up in a position of advantage to defend myself. The 8" disk analogy was due to the general idea that the primary hit zone on an adult human is an approximate 8" circle high in the chest. I use that as my benchmark for accuracy with a RDS at distance from the main shooting positions - prone, standing, sitting/crouching, and kneeling as well as some unconventional shooting positions. If I can do that, I am comfortable with that rifle at those distances for what I want to do with it. For the OPs stated purpose, I would take a quality RDS (Aimpoint T1 preferably, PRO a close second) and a set of binos. I know with a rifle properly zeroed to 50 yards, I can engage targets out to 300 yards with little difficulty. The binos will let me see further in all directions without making me point a rifle at everything I may want to see and appearing as more of a threat than I may have intended. As far as 45degree optics and CQB, what's your offset hold at 10 yards on a hostage rescue shot? Worried about a miss now? I know that's why I don't like them.