High Exposure

It was in Bath Township Michigan on May 18, 1927. 45 killed (36 kids) and 58 injured. He used Dynamite and some kind of incendiary explosive. You may be thinking of the "Happy Land" night club fire that killed 87 on March 25, 1990 in the Bronx. The murderer used less than $1 worth of gasoline in a plastic bottle he found on the street. Evil will find a way, guns or no guns.

It's the trigger. Shooting a pistol is all about consistency. The secret is being able to repeat, exactly, the same sequence and movements on every shot. The PX4 has a double/single action trigger. You have to train yoirself to manipulate the trigger TWO different ways to shoot the same gun. The pull and the reset is longer and, by design of the pistol, your finger moves in an arc - not straight to the rear. The Colt has a single action trigger. It is manipulated the same on the first shot or the 20th shot so there is only one movement to remember and be consistant with. Straight to the rear, shorter pull and reset difference and the movement is straightvyonthe rear by design of the trigger bar. That's not to say you can't shoot a pistol that is double/single action well. You absolutely can, it just takes a lot more practice to perfect the two different trigger pulls, then to be able to remember which trigger pull is appropriate for the condition the gun is in quickly and under stress.

Slippery slope this. Leave it be.

I hate when they have a 1911 with the hammer down and start shooting. "Way of the Gun" and "Sinners and Saints" had some if the best gunplay I have seen in movies.

BLUF: This is not intended to stir the pot. I thought it was interesting and would give some an insight to how many Police officers truly feel regarding gun control. This survey was conducted from March 4 through March 14, 2013. Over 16000 Police Officers were polled on their feelings regarding gun control and the measures currently being attempted to undermine the 2A. I know it's not a perfect survey. I know that 16,000 poll takers is but a fraction of the Officers out there. Take it for what it is. Proof that unsworn citizens are not alone and that you have the backing of a significant portion of the Law Enforcement t community whether you believe it or not. Link to the Summary - http://ddq74coujkv1i.cloudfront.net/p1_gunsurveysummary_2013.pdf Check out #s 19-22 specifically I see a lot of people talking about how the Cops want to take your guns and how Cops feel they are better than the "little people", the "un-anointed", or the "Hoi Polloi". Most Cops I know would take umbrage with that sentiment as it is flatly untrue. Most of us are on the same team here. If we don't stand together, we will surely hang separately.

Yes. You get two products designed to do one thing and do it well, instead of one product designed to do two things and do them dismally. That's funny!

Glad you made it to the game on time Your boy can shoot too! We were all pretty impressed (we were the last group you shot with) Try SLiP 2000 EWL for lube, stuff is awesome.

I use SLiP products - 725 Cleaner, Carbon Cutter, and EWL (http://www.slip2000.com/home.php) Anyone still using CLP should read this. http://www.slip2000.com/blog/side-by-side-review-of-slip-2000-ewl-and-clp/ http://www.slip2000.com/blog/ewl-vs-clp-testing-greg-sullivan-comments/ Like most things, anything designed to "do it all" rarely does. (I do use Hoppes occasionally, mostly because I like the smell )

Good time today. Weather was nice and my squad was fun to shoot with. Hope everyone else had fun too.

If I remember correctly, that barrel length was spec'ed by Noveske in order to permanently attach their KX3 "Pig" flash hider and make it a 16" barrel avoiding SBR issues but keeping the barrel as short as possible. I do not think that Surefire brake is going to cut the mustard length wise, and the KX3 is a no-go in our glorious state. You may want to contact Novese riki-tik and see if they offer a solution before you are stuck with a barrel you can't use.

Ah, got it. OP said (emphasis mine): With the "want" I thought it was a choice he made on purpose. Good luck with the build 555R

Just out of curiosity, why not just get a 14.5" barrel? If the final overall barrel length is going to be the legal 16", why not get the longest barrel you can and still make minimum length? What advantages does shaving 0.8" of barrel but making it up with a comp/brake offer?

I am definitely in and bringing a few friends. See you all there Sunday Morning.

No it is not illegal to have a knife in your car. If you you have a legitimate purpose for the knife, you can have it in your car, on your person, wherever. Just don't go reaching for it/near it/towards it while speaking to a LEO. If the OP had the knife, sorry - "tool", somewhere he didn't have to reach into, this would be a non-issue. If I had a dollar for every person that pulled a knife out of their pocket to show it to me after I asked if they had any weapons, I could retire right now. They weren't bad guys. In fact I will guarantee that most of them had never even gotten a ticket before. They were all good people that had no intention of hurting anyone, we're nervous talking to a Cop, and had no clue that someone could interpret the innocent attempt at answering my question by showing me what they had in their pocket as anything other than an attempt at being helpful - because to them it wasn't a threat, they were trying to be honest. Every bad guy that I have ever caught with any weapon small enough to conceal has simply told me where it was when asked. They never reach for it, they simply say "I have a knife/box cutter/scissors/whatever from work. It's in my front right/back left/wherever pocket" and let me grab it. They have had more interactions with LEOs so they know what to do.

Thank you Ray.

Since when does nomenclature have anything to do with what constitutes a weapon. Baseball bat, crow bar, broken beer bottle. All have lawful purpose - sporting equipment, tool, trash. Each can be used to assault or kill. You reach for one while I am talking to you we will have an issue. Here the deal. The problem here is that You are a good person. Sounds weird, I know, but let me explain. You would never think of using that tool for anything other than it's intended purpose, because you are a good person You assume that everyone has good intentions just like you, because you are a good person You don't like it when someone (in this case a Cop) treats you like you would do something a bad person would do, because you are a good person. I get it. We all do. Again, don't take it personally, it isn't you - it is us. Again, it isn't personal. We have just learned to be cautious and to treat everyone the same - Pleasant to everyone, friendly to none unless we are given a reason to be less than pleasant.

OK. So think outside the box. Keep everything you would need in the event of a traffic stop someplace else then. A lot of people keep that stuff in their wallet, the visor, in a center console. So, the tool was in the glovebox? Your papers were in the glovebox? You put your hand in the glovebox to grab the papers? The same glovebox that the tool that looks like a knife was in? That's "reaching for it" for all intents and purposes. The cop doesn't know you. Doesn't know what kind of person you are or what your intentions are. I would have removed it from the glovebox too and given it back after we were done.

To be frank, keeping any weapon, object that looks like a weapon, or can be used as a weapon, in a part of the car that you need to reach into for any Police interaction is dumb, even if it is not illegal. That being said, the knife probably scared the Cop. When we get scared we get defensive (that whole "cops are part of the human race too" thing). For all you knew, last week some douchebag pulled a knife from the glove box and took a swipe at him. Believe it or not, people don't always like us. Some people don't like us so much that of given the chance they will stab/shoot/bludgeon/punch/kick etc... This makes us wary. Sometimes that comes off as being gruff or rude - please don't take it personally. It isn't you, it's us. Consider it professional detachment due to heightened situational awareness when something doesn't feel right. It gets more noticeable when a situation goes from "routine" - traffic stop for unregistered with a guy not making the spidey senses twitch to "exceptional" - WTF was that? A K-Bar in the glove box that he just reached in? Think about your job. How when something out of the normal happens and you need to pay closer attention to figure it out. You get focused sometimes to the exclusion of social niceties. Is that tool an "illegal" knife. No. Can you be arrested for reaching for it while on a traffic stop? You bet your bippy. ETA: Your tool looks a lot like a big brother to my Böker "Cop Tool" that I carry at work and in my personal car.

I have an idea. Why don't you dress professionally and take your civic responsibilities seriously? If you were a defendant (let's face it, for most of us that can become a reality with the stroke of the Governor's pen) wouldn't you want a jury made up of intelligent responsible and articulate men and women deciding your fate? Would you want to look at your jury and see a bunch of cheesy personal agenda tshirts (whether you agree with the sentiment or not) in the Jury pool? ETA: Looks like a few of us had the same idea simultaneously.

No. I would just buy what I needed for the particular gun. My cleaning kit: Appropriate Boresnake (.40, .223, 12g, etc...) Slip 725 cleaner Slip Carbon Cutter (if needed) Slip 2000 EWL Old Toothbrushes Old T-Shirt Old Hand Towel Box of Q-Tips Chopstick (makes a decent punch for takedown pins and such) Dental pick All in an old Tackle box I can clean any gun I have with that

I covet a lever gun that I can do this to. I want one in .38/.357 and one in .45-70. I have been trying to chase one down for 2 years.

We have a stack of 30 round pmags that have been loaded to 28 and stored without the caps (I throw my caps away) since 2008 at work. They live in the "Oh S#!T" box. I also have a bunch in my vest for work from about the same period. We take a few out each year and shoot them up, then reload them and put them back in storage. We had had exactly zero issues. As for the C Products mag, all I can say is all mags are not created equal.

Slip products (http://www.slip2000.com/), appropriate bore snake, 6 q tips and 10 minutes. Play with it for longer and you will go blind. Once a year my pistols get detail cleaned and springs/parts changed as needed based on the previous years's range schedule. Avoid CLP as it neither Cs, Ls, or Ps adequately.

Unless you compress or relax a modern spring past its elastic limit it will not affect the life of the spring. Cycles of compression and relaxation are what wear springs out. You can store mags to capacity and keep them loaded for years with no reduction in the springs ability to function as designed.

Ooooooh the single stack full size .45ACP! I am not a big .45 guy but I can't wait for Glock to release this model! It was cool to actually see it in the newsletter too. Hopefully it will be released by fall like they said.