SpacemanFry

When it's a matter of subjective things then yes that saying may apply. When it comes to completely objective things like property taxes and gun rights it's a whole different thing. That's not to say there aren't other factors that enter in someone's decision to live in NJ or not.

My in-laws moved to PA a few years ago when my FIL got a raise at work and at the same time his property taxes were reassessed and every penny of the raise plus more went into new property taxes. They had been thinking of moving for some time but that finally got him pissed off enough to just move. They are not the only people I know who have decided to move because of property taxes and cost of living. I know this is just anecdotal evidence, but still...

Awesome! Here's hoping more will follow.

Because I have little patience for dealing with people that are rabid anti-gunners to the point of zealotry. I'll reserve any effort of converting for people that are not completely closed off to the idea in the first place.

There is very little logical conversation that can be had with rabid hoplophobes. I usually have two approaches for someone like that caller depending on the mood I'm in. If I'm feeling nice I'll ask them if they've ever actually handled and/or fired a weapon. The answer is always no in which case I tell them politely to refrain from talking out of their a** about something they have absolutely no clue about. That usually shuts them up but if not then I proceed to present logical facts. If I feel like being a dick, I pick something about them they hold dear and about which I can obviously have no personal knowledge (or I can pretend I don't) and make a bunch of equally retarded statements. For example, since most rabid hoplophobes are women and often they have kids I start saying how child birth/pregnancy is overrated and how women over-exaggerate the pain and discomfort to guilt men into doing whatever they want etc. By this point you can almost see the steam coming out of their eyes/ears and at this point I say something along the lines: "I'm sorry, I thought we were both aiming to show our asses by make ridiculous assertions about things we have absolutely no knowledge about". I'll admit this isn't the most effective method, but sometimes being a giant dick to such douchebags just feels satisfying.

Just picked these up the other day: Glock G17 Gen4 Marlin 60SS (not the best picture... doesn't do it justice)

- my right - ie 2nd amendment - ie because i know first hand what happens when people surrender their rights to owning guns . . - games/target - hunting - defense . . . - preparedness for possible teotwawki

I say marry her again!!

Congratulations! That's quite an honor. You should be quite proud.

Organizations don't want to be made obsolete so they have no incentive to actually fix the problem they are supposed to solve. IMO, that goes doubly for douche-baggy organizations that are based on a fallacy.

As mentioned lasers aren't regulated. You can buy one's powerful enough to cut wood/plastic and even metal if you want and have the money (look up DIY laser cutters to see what I mean). As for laser pointers just don't point them at vehicles, especially aircraft (federal offense... FAA particularly hates this). If you get an NIR laser pointer keep in mind you won't be able to see it without NVG which also makes it easier for you to accidentally look into it or shine it in people's eyes. Even "eye safe" lasers should not be pointed at eyes more than a split of a second.

Welcome to the forums from another neighbor (L'ville).

I read the first page and stopped before my blood pressure made my head explode. That article is so unabashedly biased (and simply wrong) it's sickening.

Hehe, very nice! I have to say I'm a bit skeptical as well that MrsWombat has truly approved this

Hmmm.... I had no idea, thanks for posting this. I almost never use my paypal account so I won't mind getting rid of it. Know of any alternatives that aren't anti-gun?

Indeed I do. Sorry if that wasn't clear. I'll be near Central Jersey RPC.

I'm going down to pick up my new firearms from PK90 tomorrow (Wed Dec 28th). Originally I was thinking of stopping by Range14 to try them out, but I just realized since I'm in the area it might be a good idea to stop by CJRPC and check it out since it's one of the ranges I think I'd like to join. So, if any of you guys are planning to be there tomorrow afternoon and don't mind I'd love to check out CJRPC. Thanks

It's probably very hard to get an accurate number of gun owners since I'm sure there are quite a few in NJ from pre-FID days, and then FIDs themselves are probably not properly tracked as to whether the people are still in NJ or deceased etc. NJ has about a 9mill population. I wouldn't be that surprised if there were 1 mill gun owners, but I would wager the vast majority are occasional hunters who do not vote on gun issues.

For me, I HATE stickers on cars and would never put one of any kind on my car. I also don't like to put posters or signs on my home etc. I will wear a tasteful shirt but not something that looks like NRA or a Vendor puked all over it with advertisements. However, I don't have any problem talking about it with even extreme anti-gun people, though I don't normally go around starting gun conversation except with people I already know like them. I forget who asked about some ways to convince your SO to change from anti-gun. My SO was very anti owning guns (not anti other people owning guns) mostly from instilled fear of "dangerous" things she's not used to handling (she's also afraid to use/handle my very sharp kitchen knives). The key to winning her over has been to slowly educate her that these are just tools and that every adult needs to know and should know how to use tools. Also zombie movies (especially Walking Dead recently) have helped subconsciously instill the idea that people that know how to use guns and other tools are not victims and masters of their own fate :-)

That is gorgeous. So jealous!!

1. Application type: Initial FID and 3 P2P 2. Police Department: Lawrence Township 3. Name of the person you dealt with: Detective Burns 4. Time taken to issue: 12 days from dropping off all forms 5. Documents required: Standard application + Mental Release Form + a handgun experience questionnaire (nothing really that involved) 6. Notes: Det. had me collect all the forms for him (ie personal reference forms) and get a letter from work saying I work where I said I worked on the forms. I didn't mind doing the legwork as I ensured everything was done quickly. Longest part was waiting on Morpho appointment.

Thanks everyone for the input. The Gen4 does fit better in my hand so I'll probably go for the Gen4. Ultimately I'll make final decision when my P2P comes in.

As the title says. Looking to get a G19, but all the press about the Gen4 issues are making me consider trying to get a Gen3 one instead. Thoughts?

Thanks everyone, this forum definitely rocks. It's made my life a hell of a lot easier when deciphering the ridiculousness that are NJ Gun Laws. Maksim, I'll definitely take you up on the offer to check out CJ sometime in the next few weeks as I get my permits & hardware.

Nice! Wasn't sure if anyone would get the reference