TCinJ

You mean like the overused (by some) smiley? If you don't agree with something, by all means have a spirited debate. I'm sick of seeing " " as the only reply to something on these forums. I now pretty much just lurk and read, but I saw this post and had to say something.

Welcome to the forums and thank you for your service! California must be pretty bad. I guess with long guns it is pretty easy to buy things when you want to. (as long as they are PRNJ compliant) But handguns are still a pain with having to obtain the purchase permits and the one gun a month limit. It not only interferes with our second amendment rights, but hurts small businesses too.

Thanks for such a carefully crafted, insightful post! As the self proclaimed "commander-in-chief" of the "NJZED" I'm sure your opinion is valued among the regulars here.

See my sig? It has pretty much always said "Dupe........Aaaaargh!" Why? These were two responses I got from you friendly people in one of my first posts here. (I don't remember or care who posted those comments, but they were later removed) In that post, I stated that I was limited to a maximum of three purchase permits by my town. I had to scan and post the friggin' form to prove to you people I was telling the truth! This was a sign of things to come I suppose. No, she's retired. But I'm pretty sure she has killed more BG's and spent more hours in a courtroom than you or I. So put that in your hat and smoke it wise guy.

Hello - I did not state it as fact, but rather I was paraphrasing some literature I had read. Here is the link to the website selling this ammo specialized for home defense which claims to be safer. http://personaldefensesolutions.net/extreme-shock.htm As far as the other comment I made about the "warning shot" (which I deeply regret now), it seems many of you cannot simply carry on a civil conversation on why this would be a bad thing without resorting to insults and piranha like behavior once there is a little blood in the water. Don't worry, I am not "butthurt" about it. (seems to be a popular term here for people that have different opinions) Did I ever claim to be a lawyer or firearms expert? No, I didn't. Did I ever claim my opinions or comments are the word of God? No, I didn't. All of you "experts" can carry on with your big circle jerk. Maybe you can chase away every new member so you can all pat each other on the back. Sheesh.........

Oh - I forgot to tell y'all to take an unregistered, illegal gun, make sure it is clean and put it in the hands of the invader if he wasn't armed. LOL you guys crack me up. Over and out.

OK - so now I'm telling people to fake a "crime scene" - one I did not create and I am "fear mongering" by citing a well known example of a fellow who is in jail for life for shooting/killing home invaders. I am public enemy number one! Once again, let me make this perfectly clear. Nobody follow the advice that I posted. Nobody. And I will again explain the reasoning for the advice given. It is not to please the cops, it is to please the jury. Chances are, if you defend yourself in a home invasion, you might just see yourself in court. Am I right or am I fear mongering? Or if you shoot a home invader dead, the cops will just clean up the mess, shake your hand and go away. So now you're in court, be it criminal or civil, and the other side is trying to paint you as neurotic fear mongering gun owner just wanting to shoot someone. The police can charge you with negligent discharge of a weapon, but the jury is the one that'll find you not guilty of the charge because of the "warning" intent. Her advice was from a culmination of an entire career in law enforcement and working with the courts and juries. It is sad that we even have to think about these things because of the complex "duty to retreat" laws. Think too long and the bad guy gets the upper hand. Do what is instinctively right and face the possibility of going to jail for a long time. Now can someone cite a case in NJ (your standards, not mine) where someone fired a warning shot and ended up in far worse shape legally than he otherwise would. Because I would say you are probably screwed whether you fire the warning shot or not. Just call 911 and wait, just like they want you to.

Seriously, no need to mock anyone here. She's not my Aunt. She's a good friend that I would trust my life to. She is a retired LEO that has seen and done more within the legal system than myself and probably most people here. Like others, I am done with this subject. I'm sorry I even posted.

Celebutard sheeple doing what they do best.........................

No problem, here's one you can google others. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Martin_(farmer) Can anyone show me a case where firing a warning shot resulted in more prison time or a more serious crime being pursued by the DA?

Nevermind guys. In that situation, you are not faking a crime scene. You have committed no crime if you are defending your family from an invader. The only thing that would compel anyone to do what she instructed is the fear that you would be thrown in jail for life defending your own family and person. If there were no such concerns, then there would be no need to "fake" the "warning" shot. But guess what folks - there are many well documented cases of people defending themselves from intruders that get thrown in jail for doing so.

Her advice is based on the many trials she has been a part of whether it be right or wrong. OJ was found not guilty of murder. So what she is claiming about gaining support from a jury is not all that far fetched IMO. Please, nobody take the suggestions I have posted. I just wanted to relay what was told to me. Thanks

I'm not a safety inspector, but I think apartments and town homes are separated by a firewall (cinder block?) so if one apartment catches on fire, it would be slow to spread to surrounding units. If this is true, it would definitely minimize risk in that situation. A construction guy would know for sure. A single family dwelling is a different story. I think I read some manufacturers literature that stated their hollow point home defense ammo would not have sufficient energy to cause lethal injury after passing through a typical drywall wall.

OK - just got off the phone with her. (my retired LEO friend) She was serious. Her advice was in case something happened and it resulted in a jury trial, the jury would be much more sympathetic to you if you indicated you gave a "warning" to the intruder before you shot him. I'm with you guys, if there is an intruder in my home - he's dead. I'm not thinking about "duty to retreat" and other retarded things. First and foremost, I will protect my family. If I can remember, I will follow her advice after making sure there is minimal risk.

I totally understand, I was just relaying what was told to me by a LEO. Even if you are shooting at an intruder in the heat of the moment, should you be considering where potential misses are going at the same time? Who is in the room behind the crook? If you are shooting towards an outside wall, will the round possibly enter your neighbors house? What if you are in an apartment? There are all kinds of risks when discharging a weapon in your residence. I'm guessing you should run these scenarios inside your head and memorize them. Hollow point home defense ammo should dissipate energy quickly and not go through more than one wall like FMJ ammo, right? Is this type of ammo legal in NJ for self defense?

That's why you shoot the intruder first, then the "warning" shot second. When law enforcement arrives, you tell them you fired a warning shot and the intruder kept coming instead of retreating - so your last resort was to use deadly force. This is from a retired veteran of the NYPD, a close friend, and not a joke. She's told me stories that'll curl your hair.

Shoot the bad guy, then fire a warning shot in the ceiling. This tip was given to me by a LEO.

Mass Holes........

Just goes to show you that even if you can magically take away guns from everyone, there are plenty of other things criminals can use to assault you.

Pink guns? Next thing you know they'll have cartoon camels selling firearms to kids!

As far as "lack of innovation" goes, using the 1911 was a poor example as there are literally dozens of knock offs from Ruger to Ed Brown. Seems to me gun manufacturers have been copying each other and refining each others designs for many decades. I didn't know Chuck Hawks' website had a firearms section. I remember sending a link to his website to one of my nephews who was looking to get a motorcycle and wanted a 750cc super sport as his first bike. Chucks website (and me) talked some good sense into him and he got a 250cc Ninja instead. (probably saving him from injury and maybe even death)

I'm not really a fanatic of any particular brand. Heck, I am considering a Hi-Point! Looks like this guy has a chip on his shoulder though. You would think that if S&W was as bad as he claims, they'd be out of business from all the unhappy customers.

For those who didn't get it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-zG5U0v3gU

Which way did you think it would go and why?