pjd832

exactly....that was my point a couple pages back....

i understand what your concerns about errant rounds..or over penetration...however your suggestion of requiring a fid card doesn't guarantee that the guy with one next to you didn't just lose his wife/job/house...and in the same bad place mentally.....you can't regulate aware mental issues or offer 100% security everywhere

nj is one of 5(?) or less states that require such unconstitutional "common sense id" ...what about all the other states...should they implement our ridiculous requirements?....what about a person that has applied for their fpid and is in the 1-9 month determent "processing" period and wants to try various firearms so they may be ready for the purchase window to open?.....i think it is "crazy talk" to offer up further restrictions that will do nothing more to stop a person intent in doing harm to themselves than the bs processes(fpid/pistol permit) in place currently to stop crime......as continuing events prove

lol 20 and 30 round mags....folding stock?...lol seller with 0 posts seems fishy....to be listing a multiple felony charge firearm on a public forum they're either a total moron or maybe just been living under a rock since the 60's? only other thing i could see is it being some kind of chris hansen type sting setup lol

do you have a suggestion?......"common sense rental restrictions"?...."universal background checks prior to rental"?....its always a sad thing when someone chooses suicide as their only option....but what can a business do without being ridiculous?....in the last 10 years i can count on one hand events like this in this area....yet what about those that choose to od on prescription pills or hang themselves as their method?....id say the ratio is 10,000 to one yet i don't hear people suggesting the pharmaceutical industry should "find a better way"....or stopping rope or belt sales

as usual the "comments" section is riddled with lies, misstatements, propaganda, and plain stupidity......" It bothers me how many parents don't know the laws that affect THEIR CHILDREN. Age limit in NJ is 10 years old by range regulation. There's no law in NJ restricting age."...they let 10yo kids bring in guns to shoot....or rent? and parents don't know?.... wtf is wrong with people? anywhere I've ever seen to rent its 21 for hg and 18 for long gun......."That's what's wrong with people today. You'd rather teach how to shoot than to have respect. Praying for this child".........wow.......both by women with street names in quotes....go figure

Never heard of them ...but read through their "about us" and it's Refreshing to see a "tactical" training group that's got a legitimate background and not a guy/guys with a nra basic pistol instructors cert and a Travis Haley dvd box set selling themselves as tier 1operators

i was not referring to your club in my original post.....but when you listed the requirements for your utopian club i was pointing out that its selective...there is a requirement for "good moral character" and a photo? for what to have a "certain look" or not a "crazy look"?...yet your club has multiple dui violators but "dui's and felonies are 2 different things"......id have to somewhat disagree both show poor judgement and lack of rational thinking and furthermore concern for life....getting into a fist fight and trash talking can result in a felony......so thats a no go by your standard....yet making the conscious decision to drink and becoming impaired then climbing into a 2 ton missile/weapon and risking countless innocents going about their daily lives ...and being cited for such is not a compromise of good moral character?.....why is that?...because the club has a bar?....because the club officers all dui?...because none have killed anyone (yet) while dui'ing?.....its not a personal attack on you or your club.....but rather the double standards..ridiculous requirements..of the good ole boys clubs

i personally know a few members of your club of questionable moral character/with legal situations/dui's....but since they probably haven't stolen a beach chair or are on the wrong side of the fantasy football bar talk thats ok right? lol and most importantly its a mountain lion free area if I'm not mistaken ?...lol

lol @ providing a picture...wow......as if its a blue blood country club....so if you're not "attractive" enough you aren't worthy of membership?... too funny

if thats the case...do they re run it yearly?...im sure quite a few various clubs members become "prohibited persons" each year through poor decisions ....

thank you...i did not know that....i believed short of official criminal investigation by an actual fed/local le agency that consent would have to be given ......of course I'm not referring to employers googling someones name/social media site searches... i meant a licensed investigator (assuming jim bob is licensed) would have to have had consent for a non criminal "background" investigation performed on request by a third party

i agree he can... but without my consent isn't he doing so illegally?....

i get what you're saying and would be ok with a "criminal" check.....but not signing an open ended release giving carte blanche for jim bob to dig around in my personal life ......which without my consent is not legal......

shawn...i appreciate the "background check" process..if its a criminal check...for which the social security number is not necessary ....and the release reads more like a general background check....which i don't see as needed.....i don't want unnecessary/continued inquiries on my credit report from a gun club/ some"uncle bucks private eye company" with a half a dozen other ventures attached to the same disconnected phone number......i actually saw they had a nra "recruiters" table set up at cabelas last night when i was grabbing some items and offering a $25 gift card with new/renewals so i swallowed my disdain for them and got the membership for $10...so let the battle begin with spam/propaganda/pandering for donations..lol

thanks for all the responses guys...and i agree with the "their house their rules"....and i was just wondering if that was standard for private nj clubs which i now see its not...its a shame as its not very far from me...chk37 thanks for the info on the shotgun shoots..i have another friend that does those on wed nights and is not a member he just pays the $5 or whatever for the night.. the rifle/pistol ranges would have been my reason for joining...as i don't have any sporting shotguns..... for shooting with non work friends I've been going to a public range in md..which is pretty nice aside from weekend crowds...if you time your visits ..you can pretty much have the place to yourself...and at $50 a year with unlimited access open sunrise to sunset 365 days a year its not bad...downsides are its a 45-60 min drive...and post 10/01/2013(safe act/sb 281) is worrisome for most people going into md with mrs's....and finally only a 100 yrd rifle range.....i did find a range not far out of middletown de down 301 thats out to 800 yrds i believe...but again in md and kinda far.... I've tried calling several times and get no answer....i may continue to try and contact the club and see how "strictly" they follow the application process...since as mentioned it may be a "good ole boys" method to keep out "undesirables" which i am not ... i would like to join but not going to provide unnecessary info that compromises personal security

so a friend is a member of a private gun club...and I've gone a couple times as his guest in a 3 year span...unfortunately our schedules conflict so i considered joining to be able to go whenever....and while i get the "their house their rules" etc....theres a few things in their application process that i have issues with....aside from a mandatory nra membership...is providing my social security number and driver license number.... then the requirement of providing employer name/address/contact number/supervisor/position held.....for some thats not really an option....then there's a release form for giving permission for "xyz investigative services"...to inquire into my "personal history to obtain information"?? a copy and paste of a portion of the form... hereby allow "xyz"Services to inquire into my personal history to obtain information. I cannot claim any invasion of privacy against them now or in the future. I agree to provide positive identification in conjunction with this application. seems awfully intrusive ...the "investigative service" phone number on the form is not in service....and upon googling the name came up with nothing...looking up the phone number yields several unrelated "businesses" using the same not in service number....having never been a member of any other private gun clubs before....is this standard?...and I'm just reading it wrong...or is it a little off?

Reading the article... This kinda stuck out as odd to me.... "Meltzer said his grandparents lived above the store until they died. The upstairs space is now used to keep gun purchasing records of every gun they've ever sold. Meltzer said the gun records go as far back as 1947 from before he was born." Thought after 20years(now) that records at pos were to be destroyed?....

thanks guys....would hate to see my friend get jammed up on that

isn't the nr nh permit is still recognized in pa? a friend has one he got prior to nh requiring home state first....is his nh now void even if its not expired? and now not recognized in pa?

no more than they abide by the gunfree zones or any of the other laws they break and convicted of repeatedly we foot the bill for now

id say family vacation

push to ban the evil deadly assault bolt actions ....in 3...2...1.....

lol the packs...boonie cap.....desert boots....shoulder patches....priceless...all they needed was a sniper in a ghillie suit low crawl the parking lot islands....lol

reading the link you posted....this line seems to be counter productive to the goal (stopping a threat) . "The non-expanding ARX® is injection molded from a specially blended copper/polymer matrix that........" isn't that like jumping back a century? because this has "flutes" it makes it better performing than a fmj?......not talking from an over penetration stand point....