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Ehh…my post probably could have been a little more concise anyway. We've all been in the “funk” so I hear you on that. My gf loves to inform me when I'm in one of my own- trust me. I’ll take you up on that coffee or beer next time I’m up in near your neck of the woods. Thanks.

You missed the point. Question came from seeing LEO’s putting .40 HP rounds into the chest cavity of an already suffering deer and it did not die very quickly, which was in the original post. Of course, a head shot or anything to obliterate the CNS would be lights out. But seeing LEO’s go for the chest instead of the head made me wonder if a .40 HP wouldn’t reliably penetrate the skull of a deer…maybe it’s a lot denser than a human’s….I don’t know….hence the question of round and placement. Thought maybe a .40 HP will not reliably penetrate the skull, which is why the 2 instances I saw were “boiler room” shots with that round, bc a .40 HP is what they had to work with. Nah, I’m not offended. But when you say that my post smells trollish while your own previous responses were pretty inflammatory….."ummm....OK.." and “seems like a dumb ass question”, I’m going to raise an eyebrow to that. It’s all good though. Yes they have, but thanks for the thorough response.

Who cares what you have a problem with. If you don't don't like the topic, post somewhere else.

Ha, I see a pattern here. Like my post said....I've seen deer hit and mangled and, while I'm not crying, I do feel bad for something that's in bad shape and scared sh^tless. On only a couple of occasions I've seen the LEO on scene and each time they've fired a round or two from their HG (which tend to be .40 HP), the deer was not dispatched very quickly. Just out of curiosity I was wondering if a .40 HP was pretty ineffective for dispatching a hurt deer. Also wasn't sure about skull penetration on a deer with a HP round since on both occasions, I saw the LEO place rounds near the heart rather than the head.

It's a hypothetical...I don't intend on driving with my HG loaded and in a holster just waiting to dispatch deer.

stupid ass answer.

"Another reason why I'm more respectful and sensitive to animals than your average person." Meaning I tend to have more respect for animals than I do for your average person. I'll prob catch some heat for that, but whatever. Is what it is.

Another reason why I'm more respectful and sensitive to animals than your average person. From my end, it's more of the "oh sh&t" feeling when I see the collision or see the thing suffering. And then there's seeing someone clock one and just keep on driving w/o even making a call. In a perfect world, the thing would be done right then and there, but deer are really rugged. Just got me to thinking about the most effective methods/calibers. To add on to that, I wasn't really sure just how thick a deer's skull was and if a HP would have no issue whatsoever penetrating.

Absolutely.

hmm OK what?

I wasn't sure if a hollow point round would penetrate the skull of a deer or not.

I hate seeing an animal get hit and I hate it even more when they're not killed right away by the impact. It's almost ironic to those who know me since I am not considered an overly sensitive or emotional man when it comes to dealing with the average person. In any event: Is there a round that's efficient for putting a deer down as quickly as possible? Most LE seem to carry .40 HP around here and from what I've seen, it's not very efficient for that particular task. They usually put one in the chest and it's tough to see it writhe around pretty wildly for what seems to be an eternity. Before I catch any heat for that, I am aware that deer are not LE's first priority in selection of caliber. I'm just curious as to the best round and the best placement for putting one down asap.

I never heard of this sanctuary, but I'm happy to see someone doing something for these animals. I'll be sure to donate to that organization. I hate to see animal sightings like this one in Bergen County. It's just another result of over-developing. These animals are more scared than we are.

So I got around to picking up my first handgun last week. Went with a gen 4 glock 19. I almost wanted to hate the glock since I know a couple of fanboys who make me roll my eyes all of the time. But, after renting a dozen different guns at a few ranges, the gen 4 19 just felt right and I shot well with it. It came down to about 3 pistols, but the glock took it for me. Few newb questions: 1. I went ahead and field stripped it to clean and lube. I lightly went over it since it was obviously pretty clean, but I swabbed the barrel, hit the frame innards with a nylon brush and rubbed it out with q-tip + alcohol and lubed the 6 points without removing the anti-seaze from the factory. I used CLP to lube and I went ahead and rubbed the outside of the slide with CLP to get rid of any fingerprints. What do you guys use to wipe down the outside of your slides? Do you use whatever oil you are lubing with? 2. Is it good to shoot various types of ammo in a new gun (115, 124, 147 gr.....+p etc.) or does it not really matter? 3. I noticed that when loading the mag, once I hit about 10 rounds, every even count, there's something knocking around in there when I shake he mag back and forth. Odd count= doesn't do it. Ex- 12 rounds the mag makes noise like something is rattling around. 13th round goes in- tight. 14- rattles, 15- tight. I tried it on all 3 mages it came with and it's the same thing. Do any of you glock owners have the same thing?? I'll post some pics when I have a chance.

Just saw that Somerset CFGPA isn't accepting new members. Looks like I'll be heading for another home range.

What's up everybody? I joined the forum a few weeks ago, but figured I'd actually introduce myself here. Better late than never. I already posted one topic before buying my first pistol (bought it last week) and the feedback was really helpful. Seems like a good forum with lots of cool people.

In recent years, I have seen a few things out in the field that just leave a sour taste in my mouth re: hunting There are way too many disrespectful idiots out there going unchecked. There is no level of respect for the animal. You only take the shot if it's a good kill shot- nothing less. You don't shoot to injure and you don't disobey the hunting regulations. I've seen it go the other way. Another unfortunate thing is that a lot of these animals are forced into populated areas because of us. We just keep developing everything and anything to put up yet another Wal Mart, etc. I love hearing people say how stupid (xyz) animal is for being near or crosing a road. Funny how when you head out to a much less populated area, those sorts of things are very minimal. You get something that ends up scared as sh*t in a neighborhood because it was bascially forced there and then the hysteria starts as if its on a ravage killing spree. Ridiculous.

Appreciated. btw- I'm loving that inox in your photo! Not usually a big fan of the stainless, but it just works on the Beretta (IMHO).

Good to know, thanks. Heading over to Easton to shoot the gen4 19 next week. From there, I'm just going to say screw it and pick 2 pistols. I've shot a bunch already....no gen 4 glocks though.

So what's the deal....if you bought one with the previous version ejector and/or RSA, you call up Glock and they send you a new one(s) free of charge?

Did you have any issues with any of your Gen 4's? Specifically the 19...

I found myself getting distracted by the CCW thing between my few friends in LE that can carry whenever and the "internet research" I was doing. There are a ton of great vids out there, but without me realizing it, a lot of guys were giving great reviews but were from other states and coming from a ccw perspective. A lot of "great gun but too heavy" "won't fit in a ccw holster well" etc. and then I came to the bright conclusion that ccw isn't a concern for me. Havent' gotten back to the range to rent anything in the .40 S&W yet, but it's probably going to be 9mm for cost and recoil (although I don't have a real issue with the .45). I also want to be tight running through a tactical course; not just standing in a stall firing at a stationary target. I see a lot of really cocky comments around the web about the 9mm being a p&ssy round and they can get good groupings with .40, .45, .357, whatever. I just wonder if they can hit moving targets etc. as well. To me, that's where it really counts. If I'm surgical with the 9 and just ok with the .40 or .45, I'll take the 9. It's cool to be able to swap barrels and calibers in the same gun, but I'd rather shoot the same caliber and just get so used to the round, recoil, etc. so that it's like second nature. I have 2 handgun permits, so we'll see. Although I'm still relatively new to pistols, I just like the idea of having the same trigger pull every time. I started shooting with a Beretta but then ended up shooting a buddy's glocks and got used to it's trigger. For that, I'm leaning towards at least one of them to be an M&P, Glock or Steyr. Loved the ergo's on the Walther PPQ but it was weird; my finger didn't reach the trigger comfortably so that's out. I got 2 permits just because at the time, I figured what the heck I might as well apply for 2 since I'm here. That being said, I llike the idea of having 1 pistol that you shoot, train and do everything with so that if SHTF, it's almost an extension of your hand. Again, I'm still a newb, so any info or thoughts are welcomed.

All of the advice is appreciated. Gotta get back to the range and rent some more before deciding which 2 I'm going with. btw- does anyone on here have an M&P 9mm? Is it just me or is that mag hard to load? I was shooting one at shore shot and that 10th round did not seem like it wanted to get in there!

I'll classify it as a sport when the animals get guns. Lol. Counter-sniper ops gets my vote for a real "sport" on a similar platform.

blksheep: I should have phrased my question better. I was wondering if anyone other than sig has a certified pre-owned program. But from what I'm gathering, an official "CPO" is hard enough to find at a local shop where I can actually handle and inspect it anyway.