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If you are going to train with it, I’d say maybe. Not a traditional shooting firearm, to be short with it. But to be honest, going with a stocked shotgun... even going 20 Gauge, might be a worthwhile alternative. I don’t understand why something with a stock isn’t up on the list... even some of the pistol caliber carbines that are out (granted, you are now down to 10 rounds). PDX1 is actually my home defense load... but in 12 Gauge, with slug and 00. It is very consistent, and a load I trust. No idea on the .410 stuff, as I don’t have a need for it. Would have to pattern it to find out.

You can try eBay, but make sure any grip you toss on is either the same overall length or longer (and not a stock; brace is ok... legally). I’m not a huge shotgun laser fan, but a regular rail mount laser probably would be your best bet.

That’s why most don’t utilize it... That being said, 12 Gauge isn’t an hand cannon. Unless you start into 3” Magnum or bigger (3.5”), it isn’t that hard to shoot. I’d recommend 20 Gauge, but just the same boat as .410; not a lot of choices. I know people that shoot .44 Magnum just fine, and others who are afraid to even try. Very similar concept, as there are those who are recoil sensitive. .410, to me, is a game gun. It is along the lines of a .22... where it isn’t necessarily something I’m likely going to put my life on. If all I had was a .410 or .22, would I use it? Of course... but very far from my first choice. Talking .410 in regards to defense leaves me with a bad taste, as I still have people who argue the Judge is the ultimate defensive weapon.

It isn’t Mr Ed’s money...

To me... no. The original SP-01 and Tactical are very good buys. You get a lot of gun for the money. The Shadow, and the current Shadow 2, are nice... but all of them are steel frame pistols. How much better is the Shadow line going to shoot over the SP-01? To me, it is a $600 pistol compared to $1,100 to $1,500 pistol (are a few different variations of the Shadow). My SP-01 is an awesome shooter. While the Shadow may be better, it likely wouldn’t give the returns I’d expect from the extra money being spent.

It’s definitely one of those baffle systems? Only ask because mine has two points of access (one tank). The larger one is not that easy to open, but the smaller one was definitely used by the people doing the previous owner’s pumping. It was to the point that lid was in need of repair, so I got a riser for a water pit that was a little larger than the hole, cemented it in, and picked up a blank lid with lock to allow easy access. Lot cleaner looking than having to remove dirt each time to pump the tank. Just saying they necessarily might not have just charged the previous guy with no work being done. Depends on the system design.

Quality control is suffering among all companies... that being said, I have Remington shotguns through the good and the “bad.” Older ones, never an issue. Just prior to it getting “bad,” my only issue was a polymer follower getting stuck in the cold... solution, all my Remington shotguns get stainless followers. I’ve heard plenty of bad about Remington. I listen to a lot of Ryan Cleckner’s podcasts, who used to work for them. Best one that he said was a rifle (don’t think it was a 700, but one of the budget models) that was sent out with no rifling. If that was one of those 16” 700s... would have technically been a SBS. That is a mass production issue, and I’m sure you can find a situation similar with any manufacturer... if you look hard enough. But I never refuted Remington bobbles over the years. Other than being very happy using my C&R, I thought I touched on the new R51 in another thread... which I also believe you posted in. I seriously don’t have any interest in Remington’s current handguns, but doesn’t mean I don’t have any experience with them. My father shoots his 1911 regularly (an earlier one... when they brought them back around 2010ish)... no issues. I bought my Ruger SR1911 a year or two after him... and no problems there, either (well, odd dovetails... which made replacement sights a little more expensive). I couldn’t get a “firearm” from an earlier era, as they didn’t make them back then. Bit the bullet... and my TAC-14 was good to go (still swapped the follower). Even if the gun didn’t run, they are going to ship it to the factory, get it running, and ship it straight back to me. To say that Remington guns don’t work is a big exaggeration... but you buy them over the Chinese clones for that warranty. I also don’t automatically take what is posted on the internet as gospel, being you’ll always hear the bad... doesn’t mean you’ll hear the good. That one TAC-14, been good to go... I can only attest to that and any new Remingtons friends/family have used (nothing blowing up my skirt, out of let’s say five guns; with how you make it out, four of them should be broken down... as well as mine). Likewise, your Shockwave may be awesome... but does that wave away the half dozen 500s I’ve seen that looked like they were made in a sweatshop? And the few of those I cycled gave me the feeling of Kel-Tec (not a jab directly at Kel-Tec, but it is a product made for those who aren’t looking to invest in more expensive firearms... and quality does reflect that). I also used to hunt with an 835 UltraMag... light gun, and could chamber 3.5” shells. But with those... it was a single shot. Would not eject them without me pulling them out of the receiver by hand. Tried two brands, no change... then said screw it and stuck with 3” and 11-87s. Does the 500 work? Yes, however I don’t view it with the same enthusiasm as you. Why did they win the military contract? They can produce a gun so cheap that Remington and others couldn’t compete. Is there anything wrong with that? Not at all, unless you plan on working the action over... which is why those companies build off 870s. 870s were used in the military for years... Mossberg winning by default doesn’t mean the 870 was dropped for any reason other than finances (how many other times has the dollar been the deciding factor). Nobody builds custom shotguns off Mossbergs for a reason... and usually the same reason some prefer 870s over 500s; ability to really work over the action. That is what happens when you put out an economic shotgun. Look at Ruger... uses a similar business model with some product lines. To get back to my original point; who is right or wrong? Neither. Are there faults with Remington? Yes... which is why my TAC-14, and likely the future TAC-13, are going to head down to Robar (my 870 Police finish held up ok... but was redone in NP3 Plus). Are their faults with Mossberg? Even if you don’t want to admit it... there most certainly are. You can feel however you want, but those who refuse to see the bad in their own brand really don’t have a leg to stand on. “I bought it, so it is the best!” Well, I got a pistol grip on my TAC-14 that, as you point out, is not optimal on a Shockwave. I like that setup... so you “winning” is a moot point to me. Sorry it took so long to reply, but really not digging the mobile site anymore on my iPhone. Got halfway through the second paragraph, and realized it was a run-on sentence. Will also add, there is slight comic relief in this post... Ray Ray, as always, no grief intended. Tried to do put emoji where I was kidding, but after this reply, said screw it.

Is that black pipe on the outside? If so, galvanizing spray that and anything further outside (or buy galvanized pipe). What does the connection on the inside look like? Guessing there is a regulator in there... so you’d probably just need a connection for the tank. No natural gas around, right? If they are anything like stoves, you might have different inserts for LP and NG. Might be worth it to check and see it is setup for LP.

Again, this is definitely your type of shotgun... won the trials because they were the only one submitted. Got to love that track record. When did I buy an R51, RP9 or RP45? If I were to buy a Remington handgun, would be on my C&R. An original R51 doesn’t have a chance of going into my A&D book until I cross some other off the list (Colt or S&W M1917 has precedence). Modern handgun wise, my list is too specific; H&K P7M8, Glock 34/26, PTR 9CT, maybe a .45 Luger (that is more of I win $7,000 and don’t have anything else to put it towards), and if I like a gun CBP authorizes for duty use that isn’t their issued sidearm... that. No issues with my 11-87s, 870 Police, TAC-14, or Model 7. Mossberg...they put their name on the SRII (Turkish shotgun), which went back to them twice. And then the 500 JIC2, which had the brass threads of the bead sight protruding into the barrel (not the only one I saw that on). Sorry, but you don’t see that on Remington factory barrels.

Nope... wasn’t that high up on my to do list.

Guess that is the case when only you are competing... glad you really need to justify your gun that much. I just make decisions with mine, and if X disagrees, so be it. Shy of that, glad you are lengthy... but let me know when Wilson Combat, Nighthawk Custom, or Robar goes Mossberg over Remington.

Yea, wood stoves are legal in NJ. One in my house... which was permitted when installed (insert in existing fireplace, with liner).

I think I posted it a few times on here, but I got a Carcano M38 Short Rifle about two years back... which was made into a pretty damn close replica of Lee Harvey Oswald’s rifle. Sling, mount, everything was done right... minus it being the actual rifle (there was a slight production difference with the scope, but on the eyepiece and purely cosmetic). Was impressed with a Type I Carcano’s action... so when I was looking to get a Carcano with the clip system, figured it would be a good buy. Very least, it is something that sparks up a conversation... but it does make you look at the assassination differently when you can have the rifle in your hands. Now, fast forward to after picking up my first pistol on my FFL-03 (Colt .25)... started looking at something else to add to the collection. Makarov, CZ-52, a few older S&W or Colt revolvers... plenty of stuff to search out while I’m still in NJ. What I really want is to find a nice Colt or S&W M1917... as that is a revolver I really want to get (will probably be a pickup at the March Oaks show). So, a decent deal came into my lap... might not be .45 ACP, but ties into the Oswald rifle (can read the title of the thread). British S&W Victory revolver, originally chambered in .38 S&W. Post war, these were commonly brought back into the US, and rechambered for .38 Special. Most of those had the barrels chopped down to about 2”. Oswald picked one up through mail order, and was the gun that he used to shoot Officer Tippit after the Kennedy assassination (revolver was clearly his, and while you can argue if he killed Kennedy, evidence really shows him/his revolver killed Tippit). Only big difference between mine and Oswald’s is the front sight... which his was a half moon. Cleaned it up, which had a little bit of rust internally near the cylinder stop (talked to seller after the sale, and said it sat in the safe for awhile). The rust cleaned up well, and really is a nice revolver (more or less, a Model 10). I cleaned up the grips when I did the furniture on my uncle’s Winchester 62, and put a few coats of teak oil on them (reminds me I need to wax the Winchester’s wood). Can’t wait to get to the range with it. Might not be a tack driver with the 0.361” barrel, but should be able to get rounds on target. When I knew I was likely getting it, I made a few purchases for the “collection.” First one was the Myers book on the Tippit shooting, being I was more interested in that aspect of Oswald which I really didn’t know that much about (learned a lot about the Kennedy shooting after picking up the rifle). I also grabbed a copy of the February 1963 edition of American Rifleman... which Oswald ordered the rifle from (capt14k mentioned an eBay coupon on MeWe, which I used). Last thing... a Hunter holster for that revolver, like the one Oswald owned/took the infamous picture with. I don’t really want to hunt down a Colt Cobra with a shrouded hammer to get a Jack Ruby clone... at least not until I move and can have it shipped directly to me (that is going to be hard to find at Oaks/people I know in East PA). But I think it is a nice way to round out the rifle in my collection. While Oswald didn’t acquire awesome weapons... for a man with limited funds to spend, he got firearms that were good enough to accomplish what he wanted to do. Looking at what other assassins used, you find many of them not being well funded... and shooting something most think of as subpar. The Victory definitely is in this category, as it was converted to be more appealing to buyers, but worked well enough for Oswald to make his mark in the history books.

Well, one is because of your manufacturer preference... Cheekweld, I’ll agree... but easily fixed with higher sights. Goes back to the last sentence, but easily have rifle-sight barrels for the 870. Or go red-dot. Other two, man up! Seriously, short length of pull... unless you get it down to a very unrealistic length... is adaptable. Ideal? No, but it is doable. Don’t know what the length of pull is on fixed braces, but mine is 13.5”. Uses an AR tube, so you’ll be able to change length of pull by using different braces. If that’s too short to use, you are one lengthy individual. I’m 5’11”, and works fine. Even those shortened 870 top folders (12”, if I remember correctly) weren’t that uncomfortable... well, other than the metal cheekweld you’d get on recoil.

You guys didn’t invest in a generator after Sandy? It’s like camping again.

Mr Ed said they are really brining the roads... and should be good. Shouldn’t we all trust him?

I don’t complain... but considering there is only a chance of snow thru sunrise, and the rest of the weekend looks like rain, I’m definitely ecstatic! Rain is just so much easier to deal with over snow.

I hated going to the range back when everyone was buying ARs during Obama’s stent. When you get muzzled with a 5.56mm, it isn’t too fun. Back when I was in school, I had nice blocks of time during the day when I could go to BA (at that time) and be the only one on the range. What other fun did I see? Someone trying to retreive a fallen target by going down range without calling a ceasefire. Had one moron with a .22 or .25 shooting across three lanes at my target, which was causing his rounds to hit the wall (SS, years back... when they really didn’t give a s*** about safety). I really don’t worry about someone intentionally shooting me at the range, because if they are going through all that (suicidal)... they likely aren’t interested in mowing everyone down (if they did, likely wouldn’t go to a shooting range where people are holding guns). People not respecting the rules or being dumbasses are what I worry about in regards to my well-being. I agree... I don’t think training should be required. But I also would want people to take the initiative and get training before they put a slug into some poor guy that just happened to be a few lanes down. Don’t want that to poor guy to be me, as I’m sure most here wouldn’t. The few classes I took always let me walk away with something I didn’t know beforehand. Hopefully, I’ll get around all that up in Maine. The couple properties I’m looking at are all over four acres (just saw another one list with 18 acres, still within means), so I should be able to set something up for my own personal range.

Not all folding setups are equal... but to each their own.

So, you tried a folding brace, huh?

Yea, I’m far from someone that goes after tuned guns... if I get a Glock 34 to him, it isn’t for his work. It is to make a John Wick 2 clone.

Folder...

Hopefully there is a movie theater playing it nearby FLETC... because I’m going to see that on a weekend. Taran Tactical definitely is living it up since the video of Reeves shooting with him. Did a lot with TFB, so I think he is trying to get some major exposure with it all. I’ll admit, I’m far from a race gun fan... but I’m likely picking up a Gen3 Glock 34 to make a John Wick 2 clone. Not a fan of the Taran AR, but kind of like the Benelli. I liked the P30L, but compensator isn’t something you can get. Brown Bear Gear supposedly made it for the movie, but only puts out weights for H&K pistols. 2011? I’ll stick with the Glock...

Yea, the pump makes you think is should have a shotshell in the magazine... but it is actually pretty comfortable to cycle the action. Plus being a Browning design... no disconnector. Easier to slamfire.

This gun likely wasn’t shot for years, and from cleaning, I’d say it had quite a few .22 Shorts through it. Amount of lead I pulled out was unreal. My father didn’t remember the gun from his childhood (one of four boys), but likely one uncle picked it up, and then was taken by another uncle after his death. Probably at least from 1997 until around 2002, this was underneath a bed... until my father found it when cleaning out my uncle’s bedroom after he died (second one who died). Was 14 at the time, so when we got it home, I cleaned the barrel, wiped it down, and it went in my father’s safe for 17 years. Had a shotgun I was looking to get rid of, so got that and another gun in trade from my father. The rifle was not something I’d want to shoot in the state I got it. I though the magazine tube was welded to the barrel... due to grime in the gap. Fought me most of the way, but once I got the magazine rings off the barrel... I knew I was good to go. While it isn’t that great looking, definitely a lot better than it was... It is a Winchester 62 in .22 Short... but little oddity with how it is setup. Serial number puts the receiver as a Model 1906, which was the second model off the original 1890 Browning design. Winchester did put together a few of these as “cleanup guns” prior to World War II, but the serial number is a little low for that time. Works out to being produced in June of 1931. Yet, Model 62s weren’t started until spring of 1932. Barrel does not look to be a replacement from the proof marks. It also has a 62A bolt, as the firing pin stop is held in by pins... earlier design used screws for that. But unlike most Gallery Guns, this one matches both halves with the serial number. Can’t wait to take it to the range, as the barrel looks great. I’m thinking an almost 88 year old gun would be a nice addition to my collection. But with the family ties to it, I really just want to keep it around to teach my children (when I have some) on it... as well as pass it down to them.