Vini

Love it! Great way to put hypocrisy on display.

Thanks, great writing!

If you are asking about Vepr - it's compliant out of the box. It's a sporter rifle and doesn't have any "evil" features besides detachable magazine.

Only lazy lefty those days doesn't call for some sort of gun ban - it's most popular thing among them. Who cares what some mayor of JC wants, anyway?

1. I wouldn't buy this rifle for $1K (I see this price from Classic as an insult for anyone who has some ideas about AK market) 2. If I would decide to buy WASR for better price: a. I would have to have it shipped to FFL who does gunsmith work (someone like JetAgent) with smaller capacity mag b. FFL will have to shave bayo lugs and veld compensator (if I don't care about authenticity, I could consider J-Tac47 instead of 45 degree compensator) If I would do more research, I would wait till panic goes down or, if I don't have patience, I will get SGL for $1049 (in this case I wouldn't try to get another compensator) and end up with IMO better rifle with better resale value (before panic SGL was about $900 while WASR was about $500)

There's an old saying people deserve government they have...

Just checked: K-var still has in stock Veprs and SGL26-61. Those rifles believed to be far superior to WASR as of quality/resale value. -1 to K-var, IMO, few days ago SGL was about $100 less. _____________ Disclaimer: all information in this post represents my opinion. If someone feels deep need to twist my words and make numerous posts about why "believed to be far superior" is no a fact or he/they can believe/do something better than me - at least do some research before you post and google definition of word "believed".

Same video directly on youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRJ0ls_W9XM

Oh, I see, "Vini, so far everything you have posted in this thread seems about 98% wrong LOL." goes to attitude. I will not post adequate answer to that. I'm not going after "forum commando of the year" award, so I can live with it. As long as we agree that projectile from high power rifle can kill at great distance and kids here don't have reasons to believe otherwise "cause that guy who knows everything said so" - we are good.

I can imagine only 50cal rifle in hands of VERY good sniper to "make an effective aimed shot at 1800 meters", but it's not point of this question, right? You must be talking about barriers and obstacles? Weather (rain/snow/wind), time of day and angle of aim would have influence too. Where you are going with this? Are you trying to say that it's safe to shoot in your house because most of the bullets will stay in walls? All of them will be well placed in stress situation? None of them possibly can go out of open/broken window or door and not lend in a tree outside? Isn't it obvious when given killing ability of a bullet, we are talking about open space? Would you point me to "about 98% wrong"?

Shane45, if you don't agree with something or don't understand something - it doesn't make it wrong. Well, we all got carried away from topic to argument if 5.56x45 can be fatal at 1000 meters. Let's not get carried to another topic. All started here: It wasn't about accurate aimed placement, it was about safety of others while you are using your high power rifle. Fact: US military teaches soldiers that M16A* rifles can be used for an area target with effective range 800m. I couldn't find actual manual, but 3 guys with US military background said/wrote about same thing: 550/800/3600, where 3600m is maximum possible distance the bullet can fly if pointed under correct angle. This information is beaten into every recruit at boot camp. Comes to you as a surprise? Don't believe it? Believe whatever you want, just have some basic idea what you are doing.

To be clear, I hope you've noticed that I've separated "effective range" and "killing power". When I say "killing power", I'm not talking effective aiming at this distance. I'm talking about shooting in wrong direction and bunch of kids playing 1000 meters away. Just for the sake of argument I'm asking former local military guys. The answer: "550m is effective range for a point target and 800m for an area target and max range 3600m" I don't know what exactly "max range 3600m" stands for, but "effective range for an area target 800m" seems to be logical. I couldn't find Army Manual yet, but 550m/800m/3600m is all over the internet. Will update once I have located Manual in PDF format. In the midtime try to think for a moment, if effective range for an area target 800m, would killing power at 1000m be so far fetched?

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far less likely to over penetrate AND cause damage than handgun or shotgun? I think bird shot in shotgun is safest for urban area. I don't know for sure about 556x45 but if memory serves me right, 545x39 from standard AK74 has effective range of 600 meters and killing power at 1200 meters. 7.62x54R out of PKM has effective range 1500 meters and killing power at - "you better know where you shooting, son" - over 2500 meters. I would think that 556x45 from typical AR15 should be able to kill a bystander at 1000 meters. Not all the rounds will end up in the wall/floor, not to mention you might have an outside engagement.

I agree with you guys: 5 meters is close range, but 200-300 hundred meters in a forest is not realistic. How far you can see there? It would be more like 20-30 meters at most. As long as military plays in *stan sandbox - long distances might be practical. But if we are talking about other places (remember Vietnam?) where wooden areas are common, the game has different rules. Russians developed 5.45x39 for their own needs and most of places within area of their interests have a lot of trees. Think about your own needs. Well, obviously the only use in NJ for all the shown calibers is target shooting - what else you can do? Home defense? I don't know... Unless you live in the middle of nowhere (not that many places like that left in NJ, if any) and have no neighbors within at least a mile around you - too risky. Handgun would do much better job. Or shotgun. Only SHTF left. Pure fantasy, of course, but if you will have an engagement in such event, it would be less that 50 meters and most likely in a wooded area. Why 50 meters or less? Well, lowlives who might come to take your food/whatever else, are less likely to to arrange for snipers to take you out, they will just come in and start an assault. Also, it might be hard to explain to LE/jury how killing someone 200-300 meters away was a self defense.

New video from MAC, interesting... Believe it or not, but in this test .308 doesn't impress at all, unless you fire all mag.

Vepr magazines are not cheap, but available (made in Russia, so must be kind of "forever" type), this is one of many places who sells them: http://www.jgsales.c...32_190_732.html Again, if you are planning go use mags over 10 rounds, you will have to comply with federal 922r (in your case change 5 or 6 parts to US made if I'm not mistaken). I'm not sure if AR type magwell will change qualification of your rifle. I know there are mag well attachments for AK types to accept AR mags, eventually could be done for Vepr, but those are pricey and need gunsmith work. Some of those attachments were glitchy. There is one believed to be working well performed by Definitive Arms. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbAfJRpUoz4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLJy75GHxfA

As far as I understand - yes. Vepr has no pistol grip, no bayonet lug and no muzzle device. I think you don't have any issues with this sporter as long as you don't attach mag over 10 rounds, than it will have to comply with 922r

Googled "NJ legal AK"

Let me guess: in Bronx? Actually the idea was heavily criticized by Bloomberg: Bloomberg: Armed Guards In Staten Island Schools Are A Terrible Idea “You’re never going to make everybody safe all the time,” he said. I don't know SWAT or Hercules, but I've seen A LOT of paramilitary police presence around Ground Zero/Wall St in recent years. They used to have (maybe still have) few random checkpoints in that area - my car was pulled over few times: quick conversation, what why where, never attempted to search.

Not sure if it was same rifle, but recently I was checking out Marlin 60 at the same place. Don't own one, but was doing some research and decided it would be good 22lr for me. From what I've found, it believed to be one of the best rifles "out of the box". You will not find a lot of accessories for this rifle, but rumor has it - you shouldn't really need any. Again, I don't have experience with this rifle, but would suggest [before going to the range] some oil for moving parts: rails, bolt etc.

I think there is archery practice place run by Bergen County in Mahwah.

Pls reload, there was a glitch.

Choose Your Own Crime Stats Not a surprise, really, but another proof that most of media "facts" are complete BS driven by their agenda. youtube.com/watch?v=Ooa98FHuaU0