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How my post turned into a diatribe about the NSA is freaking unbelievable. The way you guys stretch posts to warp Into your own views is sad. Why do I say "warp"? Because the facts are the it's not just a domestic abuse case. It's shameful of anyone to say my post is me advocating that that any woman the victims of domestic violence should lose their job The facts are THE GUY SHOWED UP AT THE SCHOOL. So the situation is I am okay with sending my kid to a school that has a menacing felon show up? No. I remove my child. Hence that leads to I remove my child until I know the menace situation is solved How that logic turned into a NSA and public safety is way off base Let me try it this way. You move into a new town. You have two schools to pick from. One school the neighbor tells you has a menacing guy showing up to torment one of the teachers The other does not. Which school do you send your kid to? I chose to be prepared and aware. It's not about "right or wrong". Or what's fair or not. I will choose safety of my kid if I have that choice I have no comment on NSA or wire tapping. I just would probably kill myself if something happened at that school after I learned of that info. Tighter security may change my mind tough. Absent that I remove the kid EDIT: want to apologize for saying anyone is warped or "unbelievable". I want to keep this adult and civil. Internet tone always comes across as harsh. Not meant to be argumentative

For all of you that are parents: Your kid goes to the school. You have true knowledge that a felony gentlemen who was told not to go near the school still goes "and exhibits menacing behavior" Either I pull my kid or or the teacher goes its that simple. We all talk on here about situational awareness. Well we know this situation is bad. And you would do nothing? Teacher goes or my Kid goes.

Pre panics was 7.99 right ? Wonder if 22 will ever go back down in price

To the OP Just take a deep breathe, I know your intention was to be proud of it and replies always come across on the web in harsh tone Guys are just helping (yes trying) to just run through all the scenarios and you are doing a good job responding. It's just opinions. I'm happy you posted the setup and I'm enjoying the feedback. You don't need to defend to everyone. It's for all to take in

I love Murray's Cheese

Now I just realized i have a lot to learn. And funny you just mentioned the "shoots higher" thing. Because I finally started getting good when I started aiming BELOW the birds (and this on trap as the clays were rising). So maybe it was the gun I had no idea about the different angles of the loads coming out. I will take some proffesional lessons and then report back.

Great answers above. Now here is where I show my ignorance. I read this: whats your budget? a good name brand o/u like a browning citori will last a long long time and its repairable if needed.If you know you are going to shoot trap or double trap by a gun designed for that if its going to be some trap,skeet and sporting clays a field model may be better And I just automatically think that for sporting clays a pump is not good. Do guys handle the pump when doing "report" pairs? I only actually considered the two barrel thing because I enjoyed the "report" sporting clays. Im not really even thinking about true pairs yet. If that is the case then perhaps pump is a good way to start. HOWEVER, I am hearing the advice about the quality situation. I mean I will do 100 clays every time I go so I could be putting a beating on a "regular" gun. One thing I'm clear on though is that I will take a class or two from a pro and then determine what I'm getting myself into for the long run.

So I discovered Thunder Mtn and I have caught the clay bug. Now thinking about dedicated sporting SG. Should I start with buying a cheap (maybe even used) long barrel pump and just hone my skills for a long time shooting skeet and trap with single shot only? Or do you experienced guys think I would be better off going right to the O/U anyway since I figure I will do sporting clays (pairs) at some point. Please, No semi suggestions. Im just not into them. And no, I don't want a longer barrel for my tactical HD shotgun. And yes. I understand that O/Us are a VERY expensive proposition. So i would appreciate some good advice from guys who have been in my shoes. Go cheap to start, then buy again? Or go quality right off the bat?

But yet Duck Dynasty is a very popular show. So maybe Men have a chance

Omg. I meant DJG for the picture!!! Not checker. Sorry man

Checker50. Awesome pic. I will practice that Macbeth. Thank you for your story

Just read great thread about the way to rack the slide (never use slide release). I'm 100% on board with that. I got that in my training class. I didn't however get into the details in how you grip the slide. The other thread said that using just fingers is fine motor skill but using palm is full motor skill I have been using just my fingers because my palm will then not cover the ejection port If you have a failure and proceed to tap and rack aren't you trying to clear a potential bad round ? With palm on the slide aren't you blocking the ejection port? The answer can't be you have two different slide grips for different scenarios.

If the MA ones really are cheaper, then the above idea is GENIUS.

*** sigh. *** What's the point when nothing is in stock? :-( Seems like so long ago I used to get very excited. Has this been the longest 6 months ever since the tragedy?

Carl... I think if the day (and we hope that day never comes) that we actually pull a trigger to save a life. My ringing ears come secondary to saving a life. But I do understand why you are inquiring. I just think many people here will say: save life first worry about ears second.

That picture is a 50 count. Not 100

That's the 50 box

i can't really say for sure is this is a good deal.. i just feel like we often see WTB's for Moss 500's in $300 range.. this one is wood and comes with 18" and 28" and the pistol grip too.. http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/46907/Mossberg+54169+500+COMBO+12+28AC18CB+PG (wish i was buying my first shottie now.. good way to start).

His quote. "at close ranges a shotgun is basically a rifle"

Watch first minute of this video I have no experience as high exposure above. But this video was an awakening for me... It's titled what is best for HD but I really enjoyed the shotgun "aiming" thing. (and let's not let this thread drift about ARs for HD. The question was optics on SGs)

Reed. Your dilemma is not what is the best aafe. The question is which is most important, access during a HD scenario, or 100% keeping them locked up awy from kids and teenagers from tampering with it As you research you will find out the pros and cons an there are many great threads here in it

Love this thread. And I am the shotgun rookie here. But is it possible that the issue here is the myth that you don't have to aim a shotgun ? You just "point it" ? There is a hickok45 video about HD weapons that was an eye opener for me

The paperwork is not the same. Pistol paperwork is much more intrusive than just FID application. Think of it this way, when a hunter wanted an FID to buy a shotgun his employer was not notified. I believe the antis are still making the exceptions for handguns because they are considered evil And hunters are not evil (in their eyes) Same with the rational for needing a handgun "permit" to buy handgun ammo. Because why else would a person without a legal handgun want to buy handgun ammo? They think only evil or prohibited people would.

haaaa... i just posted this yesterday.. http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php/topic/55513-when-do-i-get-concerned-about-rustmoisture-in-the-basement/

I just saw Barbara Buono on NJ12 saying that if the magazine limit is not included in this bill she will not sign it.. that's good right? the mag limit is not in this bill, right? (i've read it online but my mind is dizzy from deciphering the legale-eze of it..)