Which is the better choice for HD pump or semi and why? I prefer a pump. In my opinion pumps are more reliable and just the sound of you racking a round will scare the s**t out of most people.

Anyone who relies on the menacing sound of a shotgun slide racking or the cocking of a revolver hammer is someone who is not prepared to deal with a home intruder. Have your shot ready, and the gun will take care of the scaring if the intruder is one not looking to get shot. The last thing you need to be worrying about is performing any kind of fast, desperate action before you have to pull a trigger.

Pump

Anyone who relies on the menacing sound of a shotgun slide racking or the cocking of a revolver hammer is someone who is not prepared to deal with a home intruder. Have your shot ready, and the gun will take care of the scaring if the intruder is one not looking to get shot. The last thing you need to be worrying about is performing any kind of fast, desperate action before you have to pull a trigger.

This all day long.

Anyone who relies on the menacing sound of a shotgun slide racking or the cocking of a revolver hammer is someone who is not prepared to deal with a home intruder. Have your shot ready, and the gun will take care of the scaring if the intruder is one not looking to get shot. The last thing you need to be worrying about is performing any kind of fast, desperate action before you have to pull a trigger.

So I should have a charged weapon just laying around just incase someone breaks in? Did you read about the kid in Toms River?

So I should have a charged weapon just laying around just incase someone breaks in? Did you read about the kid in Toms River?

Leaving a loaded firearm within easy access of a minor is a crime. 2C:58-15

 

The racking sound is a myth. I won't teach that. Make your own decisions and be smart about it.

So I should have a charged weapon just laying around just incase someone breaks in? Did you read about the kid in Toms River?

 

If you are using a handgun as your home defense weapon, spend $150 to get a fingerprint safe that will only open for you, and your wife too if she is qualified to shoot the gun. I have one mounted to my floor. They are fast and reliable.

There are wall mounted shotgun mounts that could be put in a closet and will hold a gun locked with the action open. I don't have a problem with someone racking a weapon they have just grabbed. My issue is with doing it when the intruder is within sight or earshot. Be prepared to use your gun, not prepared to rack it then use it. Too much room for Murphy's Law.

 Okay, let me start over, Which is more reliable? What would you count on when the chips are down?

 Okay, let me start over, Which is more reliable? What would you count on when the chips are down?

 

 

not to derail your thread... but I would not want either.. I would stick with a small light carbine that will not send giant chunks of lead through walls while still having max penetration on the other side of the wall.. 

So I should have a charged weapon just laying around just incase someone breaks in? Did you read about the kid in Toms River?

That's not what he said. He said don't rely on the sound of a shotgun racking to scare a certified bad guy away.

 

While a Condition 4 (clear safe and empty) shotgun is useless for HD, storing a Condition 1 (full mag tube, 1 in the chamber, cocked, safety on) shotgun may not be indicated either.

 

Keep the shotgun in Condition 3 (full mag tube, empty chamber) while stored - Cops call this "Cruiser Ready" as that is how it rides in the racks in the radio car.

 

When something goes bump in the night, grab the shotgun and rack it right then. Don't wait to rack it so the intruder will hear and soil his pants in an effort to get away. The only thing an unauthorized person in your home should hear before you defend yourself is a verbal warning if you feel it is warranted. The only thing they should see is your white light for target ID and a muzzle.

 

As far as the incident in Tom River, there were a lot of other variables and really bad decisions that led to that tragedy.

 

If you are using a handgun as your home defense weapon, spend $150 to get a fingerprint safe that will only open for you, and your wife too if she is qualified to shoot the gun. I have one mounted to my floor. They are fast and reliable. There are wall mounted shotgun mounts that could be put in a closet and will hold a gun locked with the action open. I don't have a problem with someone racking a weapon they have just grabbed. My issue is with doing it when the intruder is within sight or earshot. Be prepared to use your gun, not prepared to rack it then use it. Too much room for Murphy's Law.

 

This is good advice - only I don't like the fingerprint safes. They don't always work as advertised with wet or bloody fingers.

 

not to derail your thread... but I would not want either.. I would stick with a small light carbine that will not send giant chunks of lead through walls while still having max penetration on the other side of the wall..

 

In the end, I agree with Vlad. An AR will serve you much better in a HD role than any shotgun. While I have a few shotguns, an AR with sling, white light and Aimpoint, is what lives in the safe in my bedroom.

I would chose a quality semi auto should I go back to a scattergun from my current AR. If necessary, it can be used with one hand should the other be incapacitated or otherwise occupied, such as when turning a door knob to go get your kids, or investigate that bump in the night. There is a reason the US Military has moved away from the pump guns I used in my day. The current breed of quality semi autos are reliable. As in all other cases, any weapon to be used for defense should be run with the ammunition to be employed, to ensure complete reliability. It should also be patterned with those same loads, at various ranges, so that you know exactly where to aim, should a precision shot be needed.

 

I've personally seen pump guns go down on the firing line for a variety of reasons; from bent action bars, to dicked up/rusted/filthy fire controls, to rusted bolts and firing pins, ect. from both Mossy and Remy, the two biggest providers. As a matter of fact, when I went to the DCJ Firearms Instructor Course, the staff told those of us in attendance that Mossberg shotguns were the least reliable weapon they saw come through their classes each year. True to their predictions, the only one in the class broke in short order and a loner 870 used. Some 870s were having issues as well, but the Benellis that the Trooper along side of me was using, and my personally owned M1 Super 90 Tactical, ran perfectly through the dust and sand on Fort Dix. This with an older generation of semiauto. Saying that pump guns are substantially more reliable then the current crop of quality semiautos is akin to saying that revolvers are more reliable then the current crop of quality semiauto handguns. You won't see most folks giving up their semiauto handguns to go back to a wheelgun for the old adage of "six for sure."

 

As an added note, a quality semiauto can be run manually by cycling the bolt after each shot. The fastest way for a right handed shooter is to simply reach under the receiver with the support hand, while keeping the thumb on the left side, and the palm facing to the rear. After each shot, simply cycle the bolt handle to reload by fanning it to the rear. It can be done faster then manually cycling the pump with a small amount of practice.

It's also important to understand that while a pump-shotgun is more reliable in theory, it can fail you if it is not used properly (e.g. short-shucking under stress). You don't need to worry about racking anything with a semi should you need more than one shot. Just my two cents.

As to the original question- pump guns might weigh less than the semi you are looking at, also pumps tend to feed a greater variety of ammo types, and lastly pumps are seen as less problem prone. Keep in mind these are not carved in stone, technology has improved semis a great deal, and any pump gun mistreated can still turn to garbage. Lastly, if you dont have a reaction to the sound of a racking shotgun at night, you are tougher than me!

So I should have a charged weapon just laying around just in case someone breaks in? Did you read about the kid in Toms River?

Why ask a question if you're looking for one answer?

 

Anyway, here's the deal: BOTH can fail, because the user is the weak link. For example, I broke down my Mossberg 500 for a serious cleaning (this gun is from the '70s and is 100% reliable) but I forgot to tighten/Loctite the front grip ring. About 15 clays in, racking a slide during a round of skeet, the ring worked loose. The slide popped right off while the BCG stayed in the "open" position. Embarrassing. But I've also seen people select the wrong barrel on an O/U; it just goes "click" when the clay flies. 

 

Likewise, semi-auto: established design or cheap import? They can jam, though quality ones are really, really reliable (see Benelli M4). Shooting at a clay range or some slug/buck tactical class?  Put a case of whatever you're shooting through your gun, in one day, and see what happens. As is said, most likely, the weak link is between the keyboard and the monitor.

 

No matter what you choose:

1) Buy a quality gun

2) Shoot it a lot

3) Don't assume some kind of "End of Scarface" legendary gun battle is about to happen because you are putting the cart before the horse.

 Okay, let me start over, Which is more reliable? What would you count on when the chips are down?

I have nice hi-point 995ts with a laser with a pressure pad on the foregrip.

For home defense - assuming you have time to grab both - A pump shotgun with a 45 auto (1911 is my favorite) as back-up...I shot-stoppers - best CQB tools ever devised (ok, ok, being a little biased here) - but seriously, this is probably the 1 or 2 top comboes for HD...In WW1 trench-warfare, either defending or breaching a trench - time and time again, these were the soilders favorate weopons...There are alot of similiarities btwn HD and trench warefare...

 

An AR carbine with red dot isn't bad either I suppose, and does offer the advantage of precision fire over a SG - but the fastest way to put the bad guy down - especially at CQ-range is 00 and 45 acp, IMHO.

For home defense - assuming you have time to grab both - A pump shotgun with a 45 auto (1911 is my favorite) as back-up...I shot-stoppers - best CQB tools ever devised (ok, ok, being a little biased here) - but seriously, this is probably the 1 or 2 top comboes for HD...In WW1 trench-warfare, either defending or breaching a trench - time and time again, these were the soilders favorate weopons...There are alot of similiarities btwn HD and trench warefare...

 

An AR carbine with red dot isn't bad either I suppose, and does offer the advantage of precision fire over a SG - but the fastest way to put the bad guy down - especially at CQ-range is 00 and 45 acp, IMHO.

BTW, contrary to poular belief, a SG may not be better then a pistol (45 acp preferred)...Depends on your house layout and weather you are taking a defensive or offensive tactical approch...If you are going offensive clearing rooms, the zombi can grab your SG/ar barrel as you turn a corner...Much easier to keep posesion of your pistol...So, it depends...A 45 acp in your strong hand and Kabar big-brother knife (ie a machette) in your week hand may be the best approch for room clearing...On the other hand if the purp is charging a defensive position -> 00/SG! -These are the three best tools IMHO.

I would choose a pump action shotgun in NJ just for the fact I can have more than 4rds in it. Probably would never need more than 4rds but I take comfort in the fact that I have a 7 or 9rd pump ready to go.

A good semi-auto will shoot as fast as you can pull a trigger. Pumping takes a small amount of time, but can be subject to short-stroking under duress if you aren't well practiced. I have slowly been getting drawn to the auto side of the fence.

For home defense - assuming you have time to grab both - A pump shotgun with a 45 auto (1911 is my favorite) as back-up...I shot-stoppers - best CQB tools ever devised (ok, ok, being a little biased here) - but seriously, this is probably the 1 or 2 top comboes for HD...In WW1 trench-warfare, either defending or breaching a trench - time and time again, these were the soilders favorate weopons...There are alot of similiarities btwn HD and trench warefare...

 

An AR carbine with red dot isn't bad either I suppose, and does offer the advantage of precision fire over a SG - but the fastest way to put the bad guy down - especially at CQ-range is 00 and 45 acp, IMHO.

 

 

so... you imagine that shooting someone with 556 out of a 16in gun at 10 ft away is going to somehow not stop them?

 

and I feel that you are giving absolutely no consideration to overpentration. the two things you recommended having killing penetration far past first interior wall.. 

the notion that it is easier to retain a handgun when "clearing rooms" is one I find hard to agree with... if you are really worried about losing your weapon system use a sling.. 

For home defense - assuming you have time to grab both - A pump shotgun with a 45 auto (1911 is my favorite) as back-up...I shot-stoppers - best CQB tools ever devised (ok, ok, being a little biased here) - but seriously, this is probably the 1 or 2 top comboes for HD...In WW1 trench-warfare, either defending or breaching a trench - time and time again, these were the soilders favorate weopons...There are alot of similiarities btwn HD and trench warefare...

 

An AR carbine with red dot isn't bad either I suppose, and does offer the advantage of precision fire over a SG - but the fastest way to put the bad guy down - especially at CQ-range is 00 and 45 acp, IMHO.

 

 

BTW, contrary to poular belief, a SG may not be better then a pistol (45 acp preferred)...Depends on your house layout and weather you are taking a defensive or offensive tactical approch...If you are going offensive clearing rooms, the zombi can grab your SG/ar barrel as you turn a corner...Much easier to keep posesion of your pistol...So, it depends...A 45 acp in your strong hand and Kabar big-brother knife (ie a machette) in your week hand may be the best approch for room clearing...On the other hand if the purp is charging a defensive position -> 00/SG! -These are the three best tools IMHO.

 

W...T...F...

For home defense - assuming you have time to grab both - A pump shotgun with a 45 auto (1911 is my favorite) as back-up...I shot-stoppers - best CQB tools ever devised (ok, ok, being a little biased here) - but seriously, this is probably the 1 or 2 top comboes for HD...In WW1 trench-warfare, either defending or breaching a trench - time and time again, these were the soilders favorate weopons...There are alot of similiarities btwn HD and trench warefare...

 

An AR carbine with red dot isn't bad either I suppose, and does offer the advantage of precision fire over a SG - but the fastest way to put the bad guy down - especially at CQ-range is 00 and 45 acp, IMHO.

 

Wow. I don't even know where to start...

 

Let's first talk about "1 shot stops". They are a myth. There is nothing that you can hold in two hands that will drop a determined attacker with 1 shot, guaranteed, all the time. Take that idea out of your head and forget it. Count on multiple rounds from whatever weapon platform you are using being necessary to end a deadly force encounter. What if your one shot misses? What of it hits, but doesn't hit anything important? What if it does hit something important but your attacker decides that he just doesn't care? What if you have Wyatt F'ng Earp on the other end of your gun and he just won't stop fighting? If 1 shot does it, great - Thank your lucky stars and drive on. But always be prepared for more.

 

Now, If someone ever purposefully chooses to use a pistol caliber platform (even the deadly man-stopping .45ACP ) over a shotgun or rifle caliber for HD they are wrong. Period. (Yes, pistol caliber carbines are included on the "they are wrong" side. True, they are better than a pistol, but they are inferior to a platform firing a rifle cartridge or shotgun in every way).

 

Yes, there are times when you are limited to a pistol - CCW/OC, or maybe that is all you currently own, or a pistol just happens to be in your hands when the balloon goes up - I get that. If that's the case you will just have to dance with who ya brung and hope for the best. We can't all walk around with an M4 slung to our chests all the time. But, if it is a conscious choice to grab a pistol and leave the long gun you are messing up.

 

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that a 1911 is a bad gun. That platform has absolutely put a lot of people underground. I am saying that all pistols are notoriously bad fight stoppers and are famous for over penetrating walls in structures. There are much better tools out there to choose for this job.

 

I know, I know, you said grab both, the shotgun AND the .45. OK...

 

So, how does one carry and operate a pump shotgun, a long arm requiring 2 hands to aim and operate, and a .45 and remain able to fight? Do you not see a problem here? Are you wearing a holster 24/7 so you can throw the pistol in there when you are woken up in the middle of the night? Or are you tucking a condition 1 1911 .45 in the waistband of your PJs?

 

Now, let's talk about how you arrived at your choice of the "best CQB tools ever devised"

 

You are basing your decision on what are the "BEST" tools for HD on what Soldiers used in a war 100 years ago? Because no weapon platform has been designed since the Somme or the Kaiserschlacht better than a 1911 and a trench gun Let's just forget for a second that "Trench Warfare", while it is technically CQC, has about Jack and $hit to do with modern CQB/FISHing.

 

Yes, an American Soldier in WWI would choose a .38 revolver or .45 pistol or pump shotgun because their other choice was, wait for it.... 1903 Springfield - a 5 shot bolt action rifle that was 44" long without the bayonet. If a Doughboy had access to an M4 in 1918, I wonder what they would have chosen?

 

Lastly, what experience/training/etc is your humble opinion based on? What data leads you to believe that a 00 and .45 "are the fastest way to put the bad guy down"? If that's the case, why aren't all the high speed units out there (CAG, SEALs 6, SWAT, HRT) who have CQB/FISHing as their primary mission carrying nothing but shotguns and .45s?

 

 

BTW, contrary to poular belief, a SG may not be better then a pistol (45 acp preferred)...Depends on your house layout and weather you are taking a defensive or offensive tactical approch...If you are going offensive clearing rooms, the zombi can grab your SG/ar barrel as you turn a corner...Much easier to keep posesion of your pistol...So, it depends...A 45 acp in your strong hand and Kabar big-brother knife (ie a machette) in your week hand may be the best approch for room clearing...On the other hand if the purp is charging a defensive position -> 00/SG! -These are the three best tools IMHO.

 

A pistol in one hand and a knife in the other? Where are you getting this idea from? I don't know about you, but I shoot faster and more accurately with two hands on my pistol all day long. Why would I want to take away that advantage?

 

I am sorry. This will be harsh. But you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. The above statement is the dumbest thing I have ever read regarding HD/CQB on the internets. At no point in your rambling do you even approach a cogent and valid argument. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

 

I say this because I hope no one reading this thread ever thinks this is a good idea. Including you.

 

 

so... you imagine that shooting someone with 556 out of a 16in gun at 10 ft away is going to somehow not stop them?

 

 

In all fairness, I could see one or two hits of 5.56x45, especially peripheral hits, not doing the job. But that goes for any cartridge from Slugs on down. What the 5.56 platform allows you to do is follow up quickly and accurately.

 

Having said that, I rely on an AR, with appropriate CQC/CQB TTPs for HD.

 

 

the notion that it is easier to retain a handgun when "clearing rooms" is one I find hard to agree with... if you are really worried about losing your weapon system use a sling..

 

A Sling? C'mon Vlad, you are using common sense now. Unacceptable!

 

You are forgetting about the BFK in his support hand. All the operators in COD: Modern Warfare 2 do it. It must be Legit! Or they never would have put it in the game.

 

 

This is probably off topic but I couldnt imagine shooting either a 12gauge or a .556 inside your house at night with out blinding yourself and going deaf. Whats the best way to minimize those factors in a HD situation?

W...T...F...

Back at you! Pretty meaningless post you made...Better to state your opinion like an adult.

Wow. I don't even know where to start...

 

Let's first talk about "1 shot stops". They are a myth. There is nothing that you can hold in two hands that will drop a determined attacker with 1 shot, guaranteed, all the time. Take that idea out of your head and forget it. Count on multiple rounds from whatever weapon platform you are using being necessary to end a deadly force encounter. What if your one shot misses? What of it hits, but doesn't hit anything important? What if it does hit something important but your attacker decides that he just doesn't care? What if you have Wyatt F'ng Earp on the other end of your gun and he just won't stop fighting? If 1 shot does it, great - Thank your lucky stars and drive on. But always be prepared for more.

 

Now, If someone ever purposefully chooses to use a pistol caliber platform (even the deadly man-stopping .45ACP ) over a shotgun or rifle caliber for HD they are wrong. Period. (Yes, pistol caliber carbines are included on the "they are wrong" side. True, they are better than a pistol, but they are inferior to a platform firing a rifle cartridge or shotgun in every way).

 

Yes, there are times when you are limited to a pistol - CCW/OC, or maybe that is all you currently own, or a pistol just happens to be in your hands when the balloon goes up - I get that. If that's the case you will just have to dance with who ya brung and hope for the best. We can't all walk around with an M4 slung to our chests all the time. But, if it is a conscious choice to grab a pistol and leave the long gun you are messing up.

 

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that a 1911 is a bad gun. That platform has absolutely put a lot of people underground. I am saying that all pistols are notoriously bad fight stoppers and are famous for over penetrating walls in structures. There are much better tools out there to choose for this job.

 

I know, I know, you said grab both, the shotgun AND the .45. OK...

 

So, how does one carry and operate a pump shotgun, a long arm requiring 2 hands to aim and operate, and a .45 and remain able to fight? Do you not see a problem here? Are you wearing a holster 24/7 so you can throw the pistol in there when you are woken up in the middle of the night? Or are you tucking a condition 1 1911 .45 in the waistband of your PJs?

 

Now, let's talk about how you arrived at your choice of the "best CQB tools ever devised"

 

You are basing your decision on what are the "BEST" tools for HD on what Soldiers used in a war 100 years ago? Because no weapon platform has been designed since the Somme or the Kaiserschlacht better than a 1911 and a trench gun Let's just forget for a second that "Trench Warfare", while it is technically CQC, has about Jack and $hit to do with modern CQB/FISHing.

 

Yes, an American Soldier in WWI would choose a .38 revolver or .45 pistol or pump shotgun because their other choice was, wait for it.... 1903 Springfield - a 5 shot bolt action rifle that was 44" long without the bayonet. If a Doughboy had access to an M4 in 1918, I wonder what they would have chosen?

 

Lastly, what experience/training/etc is your humble opinion based on? What data leads you to believe that a 00 and .45 "are the fastest way to put the bad guy down"? If that's the case, why aren't all the high speed units out there (CAG, SEALs 6, SWAT, HRT) who have CQB/FISHing as their primary mission carrying nothing but shotguns and .45s?

 

 

 

 

A pistol in one hand and a knife in the other? Where are you getting this idea from? I don't know about you, but I shoot faster and more accurately with two hands on my pistol all day long. Why would I want to take away that advantage?

 

I am sorry. This will be harsh. But you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. The above statement is the dumbest thing I have ever read regarding HD/CQB on the internets. At no point in your rambling do you even approach a cogent and valid argument. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

 

I say this because I hope no one reading this thread ever thinks this is a good idea. Including you.

 

 

 

 

In all fairness, I could see one or two hits of 5.56x45, especially peripheral hits, not doing the job. But that goes for any cartridge from Slugs on down. What the 5.56 platform allows you to do is follow up quickly and accurately.

 

Having said that, I rely on an AR, with appropriate CQC/CQB TTPs for HD.

 

 

A Sling? C'mon Vlad, you are using common sense now. Unacceptable!

 

You are forgetting about the BFK in his support hand. All the operators in COD: Modern Warfare 2 do it. It must be Legit! Or they never would have put it in the game.

 

 

Obviously, there are many ways to approach this...I do love the semi-personal attacks - that one only gets on the NJGF! They are predictable AND humorous!...Always bizzar, how folks are incapable of stating an opinion without them here...

 

Just some coments:

1. One can use anything they want for HD - matters on context and your level of training.
2. The other person said he would use a 5.56 - that will work, and would be good in case the zombie has body armor.
3. You asked why i said pistol over long gun...I DID stipulate that it depends on your house layout and tactical appoach  (but you chose to ignore that in your discssion)....My house is small, not much space to manuver a long-gun...As far as some references - watch the Dynamic SG video (Magpul)...The two Guru's - you will recognize them - choose a Pistol over a  SG for HD.
4. Sorry to tell you .45 acp is a proven stopper - of course there is no guarentees - no need to even stipulate that...
5. As far as shooting one hand - again - small house - point blank range - laser/light combo - if you practice this type of shooting it is not a problem. If you educate yourself, you will find that sticking the gun out with two hands is not always the best approcah...Again, all about the context.
6. Your refernce where you are comparing HD to a Seal/Swat team is silly (i could use harsher words but choose not too). HD is you, maybe your wife against the perp...Vs a full team of seals with effectively many eyes and fields of vision...AR/red dot can work, but I am not fond of sticking my eye into a scope at CQB distances (cuts down on field of vision when). -Remember you are not a "team" of eyes.

Now, your turn, were is you evidance, and experience, for your opinion? And please, no swat team references - even if you have been on one, are on one now, or wana-be one ;-). That is not an appropriate analogy (see above).

PS High-Exposure...So you are using a cockie cutter approach:

 

SWAT Team uses AR - so I will also.

Two had pistol is basic shooting approach - so I will also.

 

You need to learn adaptive style based on context...

 

So, my Friend, I belive it is (you) who: "But you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about." -Just saying.

High-Exposure - is this you? :-)

 

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This is probably off topic but I couldnt imagine shooting either a 12gauge or a .556 inside your house at night with out blinding yourself and going deaf. Whats the best way to minimize those factors in a HD situation?

Carl... I think if the day (and we hope that day never comes) that we actually pull a trigger to save a life. My ringing ears come secondary to saving a life. But I do understand why you are inquiring. I just think many people here will say: save life first worry about ears second.

 

I am sorry. This will be harsh. But you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. The above statement is the dumbest thing I have ever read regarding HD/CQB on the internets. At no point in your rambling do you even approach a cogent and valid argument. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

 

I say this because I hope no one reading this thread ever thinks this is a good idea. Including you.

 

 

 

It sounds like you have had some basic firearms training...But the dangourous thing is that you don't know what you don't know...This is what makes your advise dangourous, especially when you come acrross like you have some special credentials...The fact that you aren't aware nor have trained with 1 hand shooting applications is telling...The fact that you can't differentiate between HD tactical teqniques and SWAT-Team techniques is also telling...And then your overlay of arrogance takes the cake.