anactivegrenade

Jesus effing Christ. The cancer is spreading, my friends.

Did this crap pass? 43 yeas and 18 nays?? Please tell me I heard incorrectly. I'm going to be sick.

What attracts me is both the history and the quality in the rifles. I'm first aiming to acquire mil-surps that are good shooters.These are gonna be the ones that have been either gently used or refurbished. Think, the Yugo mausers and the Yugo/Russian K98 captures, the Lee Enfield that can be cleaned up nicely, or the Mosin-Nagant that hasn't gone to hell and back. They may not have the most historical value technically, but the fact that they were produced and used so long ago and remain intact today is enough history for me. People would rather go for the original German K98 Mauser with the pre-WWII "Death Head" markings, but I'd rather get my hands on a Yugo that I won't just leave o my wall to look at. Don't get me wrong, I'd get a K98 if a great opportunity to do so occurred. If any of these rifles were remade today, they'd cost WAY MORE than what you pay for the mil-surps already avalable. The craftsmanship put into these guns are just over-the-top. In fact, I just paid for a refurbished Yugo M24/47 that is in excelent condition. MY FFL is holding it until I'm given my FID. That leaves me time to look for M48s, M91/30s, M38s, SMLEs, No4 Mk1s and Mk2s.. Oh, joy!

Awesome. Thanks for your hard work.

We are the suburb of NYC". I don't know, hopefully we'll get lucky. It's truely unfortunate that people are so blind to the situation at hand.

Just saw this video a few minutes ago. I plan on being "that guy" who shows all of his friends this.

Just an update here. I did exactly what Njbanshee said. I ordered my beautiful mil-surp from gunbroker and an FFL I spoke to was cool enough to hold it until I get my FID. I warned him that it might be months, and told me not to worry, and that I don't need to pay storage fees. Nice people still exist in this state! haha

I shall be joining you. This state reeks more and more everyday. I feel like this state is a lost cause.

Damn Pizza Bob, I did not see it like that... ah, the laws got me. I guess I'll just order them myself once my FID arrives in a few months.

No, I don't think it's a straw purchase. With what you posted, what I believe I'd be doing is A. - (4) - b. NJ resident from... Out-of-state resident = must be transferred through... Out-of-state dealer = NICS check with a FPID, COE and Photo ID. So if my relative possesses these rifles and then wants to transfer them over to me, and I'm still a NJ citizen, we'd need to go to an FFL. By doing this, all I'd have to do is contact the FFL who's willing to transfer, show up at the place with my relative, pay the fees and bring FID/ID and etc., and then walk out as a new rifle-owner?

Quick question... I understand all out-of-state transfers are required to be done through FFLs... but if a relative in PA buys a long-gun, and then wants to give it to me, how would this go down? Would we need to go to a local shop/FFL and have them be the middleman? Here's the story behind my question... I've got my eye on a few mil-surp bolt-actions on online auction websites, and feel the urge to get them ASAP. The possibility of new gun control is worrying me and I need to get my hands on something. These rifles are pretty safe from any upcoming legislation, but I can imagine their availability would drop and prices would rise in time. However, my local PD told me that a lack of firearms unit will delay my FID application until the April of 2013... which is utter non-sense. I have a clean record and I'm sure I'll get the FID in time, but I feel like I must get a hold of these great rifles NOW. So, I'm considering asking a relative in PA to get them and hold them in his possession until I get my FID (or move to PA). Then, I'd want to legally transfer them somehow into my possession later on. Any thoughts, gentlemen?

He probably got paid to do this.. lol what a POS.

Unsubscribe. That's what I did. Change.org is mostly for "progressive" sheeple who think the government is our savior.

Let's get a head count of who crapped their pants cause of the OP... starting with me. "I'm looking for Ray Finkle...... and a clean pair of shorts."

People have forgotten, or have never been taught, what it is to be an American. People will gladly do anything for the government, as long as its "for the children" or "for your safety" or "for the trees". Very few people who are anti-2A or anti-Constitution can even put up a good debate. Very few. So, most of the sheeple have no idea what the principle of these issues really stands for. If they have no understanding of the principle, why would they risk their lives for it, since it's non-existant in their minds? That's what pisses me off. No one knows.

PRAISE THE LORD!!!! I'm glad you got your stuff finally over with. I'm at 34 days and I'm already anxious. None of my references have gotten their letters yet :-/ but supposedly Linden occasionally leaves that step last, so says another forum member... Let's celebrate Eric223's blessings! EDIT: Just talked to Linden PD, with a detective named "JC". I asked about my application, and he gave me the run-down on what's going on at the station. Hurricane Sandy has set him back a few weeks because some of their utilities took time to get back up. He also says the holidays will slow things down a bit, and he'll be pumping out applications at a normal rate after the new year. Finally, he says that Linden PD doesn't have a firearms unit, and he's the only detective working on applications. He apologized and said if Linden had multiple guys working, I'd see my FID in less than 30 days. Apparently I'll see my FID before April of 2013.

So, we all know how tragic this past weekend has been for Newton, CT. I send my prayers out to all of the families affected by the massacre. For us here in NJ however, do you think our local PD's will be using this as an opportunity to delay the FID and PP process even further??? Most townships here treat us as criminals and will wipe their butts clean with our FID/PP apps before they approve anything. I wouldn't be surprised if they did. Here in Linden, one forum user is well past the 200-day mark. I just past the 30-day mark this past Saturday, and I'm afraid to even call and ask on my app's status. My references have yet to receive their letters. I can just imagine the disgruntled attitude I'll be given for wanting a gun during this time. Only if I had disbanded my BS liberal socialist views when I turned 18, then I'd be swimming in firearms already... Times are tough.

If any bill were to get passed, what would the possibility be of the SCOTUS overturning it? It is my understanding that the SCOTUS rarely reviews Executive orders (e.g., Clinton AWB), but if it we're to come from the Senate and get passed.....

Signed.

Linden, NJ here. Dropped off the paper work 30 days from last saturday. Now we start the real waiting game, as neither of my references have received their letters yet. Oh, joy. I'm gonna give the Linden PD a call after New Year's day.

Please do! I can't get enough of his work and I'm sure he'd love this! Remember in his first book where he discussed the true reasons for crime rates? Ah, what you showed us is the perfect micro-analysis to go along with that discussion. Have you read SuperFreakonomics? I'm starting it and absolutely love it.

Guys, bring this to attention. Blow up the NJ.com comments section or something. I'm writing an email to the governor's office, and I'm comparing Brian Aitken's case to this guy's. 5 years vs 7 years... wow. I hope one of the people over in the big guy's office will read my email. We could use any opportunity we have to expose this state's backwards laws and legal system.

mcbether, I loved your analysis. Have you read any of the works by Steven D. Levitt??? If not, I think you should. His books sound like they're right up your alley.

1. Corruption and attitude. I've seen my fair share of videos where a certain NJ judge says "the Constitution doesn't apply in my court room". With that kind of prevailing attitude among judges, politicians, and cops, where they all seem to wipe their asses with the Constitution, you can't expect much to change. 2. Conventional wisdom. People believe certain myths and stuff that won't go away. "Guns are for criminals", "guns kill people", "if guns were illegal, crime would go away", "Obama is my lord and savior because he'll keep me safe and give me a free phone", and so on, are the thoughts that people have on a daily basis. Plus, this is all reinforced by the media. CNN and MSNBC loooooooves covering these highly public shootings in which the guns were obtained legally (anyone hear about that shooting at the mall a few days ago?) but never mention Operation Fast and Furious or any other shootings that happen EVERYDAY by thugs armed illegally. People believe all this "guns are bad" crap because it's convenient. It offers a simple, incorrect, and comforting solution to the complex problem of violence in America. People here on the forums already know that gun availability doesn't correlate to violence. Strong enforcement of minimalist gun laws (background checks), preventing criminals from obtaining guns, and most importantly, education, would provide a much greater impact. Imagine if all those troubled kids had the proper help and counseling? But no. Guns are bad. Guns kill people. It's so simple. Fascism - An adventuristic response to economic tribulation, encompassed within an anti-intellectual vacuum,, involving the surrender of the will of the people to a colorful leader and/or dictatorial party. Sounds like the liberals and RINOs combined Another sidenote. Gun violence ain't all that bad in the grande scheme of things. About 13,000 people in the US die by guns yearly. About 180,000 people in the US die by medical malpractice yearly. Should we ban all doctors? I wish these sheeple would just get it.

Kings, that is really preposterous to me. I have no words for that BS you discovered. KpdPipes, from what you just said, would you recommend building an AK from a completed receiver, converting a Saiga, or just buying a clone (NJ legal and all) in a store?