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I am sure the agents protecting him will all comply with all of the new federal bills and will protect him with bolt action rifles

I wonder who makes these, i enjoyed that first video they had

it's even more useless than writing your legislators, as they have no obligation to respond to you, and you can't vote against them.

This is a great line.

it's happened to me, its happened to my friends. Last night even I am at a red light. to my left is a city police officer. The car in front of me, spontaneously goes through the red light..for no reason! I look to my left thinking "this cop is going to get him!" it was a female cop busy texting away, looking up intermittently at the light. She saw the person go through, shook her head, and then kept texting... Meanwhile, if she looked over at me and saw me texting at a stop, she could ticket me. The point is, if they are writing legitimate tickets, and they have evidence, there is no reason for prosecutors to even do pleas. Charge the person with the crime and go to court, and beat them with your evidence. They don't want you to go to court, THEY JUST WANT YOUR MONEY. If they wanted you to actually learn your lesson, they would give you the most points possible so that with enough tickets, you would lose your license, be off the road, and no longer a danger to society. Don't give me this nonsense that the OP who had a stupid foglight out, got a "warning" because that officer was genuinely concerned for their "safety". It's nonsense. "people honked at you so you must have been speeding" that is made up. Writing a speeding ticket and then saying "you can plead out of it" when i KNOW they didn't get me, is made up. If it wasn't made up, they would have given me the discovery. It's conditional behavior. They know people don't contest. It gets to the point where they can do whatever they want, whether its truthful or embellished, and statistically, the driver will not put up a fight. They will plea it down because a court room and prosecutors is incredibly intimidating. Go to your municpal court on traffic day and listen to the women standing before a judge. They are mortified. They are THANKFUL to have the opportunity to pay the court money and leave as quickly as possible. Are you really making the world safer by sipping coffee on the parkway making people driving 65 mph SLAM on their brakes? Simply because of the fear of getting a ticket? If you catch someone genuinely speeding, write the summons and move on. If they ask for the evidence, you damn well better give it to the defendant. Anyone who argues against this doesn't believe in our court system. Go to Paterson and be a vigilante there. Park your cruiser at the basketball court where there are gangfights on a nightly basis. Then we can talk. Leave the people alone who are driving to their job so that they can pay taxes to the state of NJ at 800 in the morning alone, and spare them the "i heard someone honking at you so you must have been speeding" lines.

I am assuming he/she is probably an officer themselves or related to one. I may be wrong. But yes, I am just relaying bad experiences. I respect everyone who respects me, including police. It's also easy to be offended by these stories when you are an officer yourself, and you get out of every problem by flashing a badge. Civilians don't have that privilege, and it hurts, because it costs time and money and makes you bitter. If I did something wrong, I will atone for it. I have paid for tickets where I did something I wasn't supposed to do. I am not getting points on my record because of a disingenuous officer and a bully prosecutor. Now had I bent over and taken the points, the next time I get a nonsense ticket, there goes my ability to say I have a clean record! My case is that much harder to make

Thank you. Let me be clear, I don't hate police officers. There are great men and women out there. But let's not be naive. They know they have a chief to keep happy. There are people out there who will write dubious tickets. My beef here lies more in the questionable court system than the officer. If the officer wants to write a bogus ticket, fine, but when I contest it, if they don't have the goods, the court and the judge need to drop it. They don't because they want to wear you down and suck the money out of you. Very few people will go to the lengths of the above stories, not even because they aren't brave enough, they simply don't have the time! And the courts know that!

It's situations like mine that make me feel that way. What happened in that story is real. How would you feel if it happened to you? Do you like being accused of crimes, and then having a court of law tell you, they don't have to give you discovery? THat you have to plead guilty?

Another note, the prosecutor was also a cop, so while he's looming over you in a chair, he has his hand on his belt where there is a nice Sig and a taser at either side of him. Think about what that does psychologically to someone who isn't comfortable with guns. What I don't get about these people, is what I was offering them, was the same result for them..MONEY. Whether I get points or not, doesnt matter to them. Once he realized his cop was never going to show up, why doesnt he just play it smart, give me the plea that I want, take my money, have the same end result, and I am out of his hair not bothering him? they only think with their cocks, it's all about winning, not even achieving the result they want. I still contend, there should never be a police officer sitting on the side of the road waiting for people speeding. That to me means one thing: the police budget is too big. fire someone. All the nonsense ever does is almost cause accidents. I can't tell you how many times cars in front of me SLAM ON THEIR BRAKES for no reason, and its because a cop is sitting there in a cruiser up ahead. They cause MORE DANGER than they do preventing accidents by writing tickets. Seeing cops hanging out on the side of the road does little to raise respect from the public. they should be investigating actual criminals

That's nothing. someone very close to me was on their way to work in the morning. Got pulled over by a state trooper on the parkway. The person in question asked if there was an issue, and the trooper replied "I heard 2 other cars honk at you as you drove by them, which probably means you were speeding..no one honks at people for no reason" I am not kidding. That was his line. Got a ticket for "reckless driving". I told the person I would smack them if they paid that ticket. Asked for discovery and plead not guilty. Go to court. No discovery on first appearance. ok No discovery on 2nd appearance, tries to ask for dismissal, judge cuts off the person in question and grants another court date for the state. 3rd court appearance, same thing. tries to get a word in, shut up and cut off by judge 4th appearance, same thing. 5th appearance. Furious and losing hope, the person insists on getting a word in when the judge again cuts them off. The state at this point has had 5 months to produce any and all evidence of the speeding and "reckless" driving and has refused to do so. the judge said they get one more shot 6th appearance, finally, thrown out. I can't tell you how many times this happens, and sadly most people, especially women, are so petrified of cops and a court room, they are DIEING to open up their walllet to pay a fine and get the hell out of there. So many times these officers make something up, probably multiple times a day, and prey on the fact that statistically, most people will not even fight it, and the ones who do, will plea and still get a fine out of them. It's tyranny, and it;s nothing more than a municipal bake sale. I wouldn't mind it so much if the municipal courts werent holding hands with the public prosecutors, but they are. They know it fills their coffers, and they will grind you down until you submit. Do you know what its like to call out of work for 6 days over the course of 6 months? Most people don't have that resilience. The same thing happened to me. I saw a cop (in another state) in the bushes, I slowed down. I met eyes with him as I passed knowing I wasn't speeding. pulled me over and gave me a speeding ticket, and as he handed it to me, ADVISED ME to plead it down and they would probably "knock the points off". What kind of officer gives out tickets, in the interest of pubic safety and of increasing his record of tickets, while advising you to plead to a lesser crime and avoiding the stiff penalties? That to me screams "we are raising money" not "we are trying to deter you from doing unsafe things". I send certified letters for discovery. I don't get it. Go to the court date. Prosecutor treats me like I am a rapist (remember, this is an ALLEGED speeding violation). I told him I asked for discovery and I would like to see it before I move forward with my plea. ANyone has the right to see the evidence to be used against them. Otherwise, I would be happy with pleaing the 4 point ticket to zero and paying a small fine. I was very busy and needed to get back to my job and would be willing to pay just the fine in exchange for moving on with my life. He brings in a second cop into the little plea room to loom over me and scream at me for not taking his plea bargain. They refused to budge on the plea (they wanted only to make the 4 pt down to a 2 pt, I refused to have points on my record as I never have, and I know he didnt catch me, it was principle) I kindly ask to leave so that we can just discuss it in court. After 10 minutes of them yelling at me, I go to the judge. The judge is about to dismiss because they gave me no evidence. A court clerk runs up from the back fo the room screaming and hands a paper to the judge. It's a printout from the police officer's cruiser that he filled in when he gave me the violation. All it says is what he alleges I was doing (address, time of infraction, alleged speed, etc) The judge shows it to me and says "did you get this?" i said "yes, that's not evidence. That's a template for the ticket that officer XXX filled out in his cruiser. Anyone can write on a piece of paper what they think happened. That alone isn't evidence that I was speeding. I want the printout from his radar gun, a certificate of his training, a certificate of his last gun inspection. etc etc" The judge then looks at me in a coy fashion and says "well..what do you want to do now?" As if to say, he knows there is some magical legal buzzword I can use that would get this dismissed at this point. I tell him I want discovery or I want the ticket dismissed. The judge then actually says "there really isn't discovery for issues like this, this is just minor traffic court". Can you believe that? They don't need evidence you stole or murdered someone. They just need to SAY you did, and you are powerless to defend yourself. I asked for an adjournment because I was so dumbfounded I seriously didnt know how to proceed. I come back a second time, and the officer wasn't there, so the prosecutor quickly told me before going to the bench that he gets 1 adjournment as well. Reasonable. Appearance 3, cop isn't there again, and the prosecutor, who squeezed my balls the first time with another cop, suddenly goes "THe cop isn't here, and you are such a wiseass, this is ridiculous that I am still seeing your face in my courtroom. I tell you what, we don't have time for this anymore, I'll give you zero points and you pay an improper parking ticket and get the hell out of here" At this point, I am so fed up with this guy, now I want to take it to them. I said "no thanks, the cop isn't here, i'll gladly plead my case to the judge and get the ticket dismissed altogether. The cop doesn't respect me enough to show up to his court dates while I am missing 3 days of work, that's not my problem." The guy went off on me. The people outside were shaking thinking I had killed someone. All this , over something I didn't do. I told him to stop screaming at me , and finally cut him off "let me explain something to you, my state (NJ) and your state have the following relationship. No matter how many points I get on a ticket in your state, if I plead guilty, only 2 points transfer to my NJ license. Now put yourself in my shoes. I could take your plea, I would get 2 points and a fine. I could just straight up PLEAD GUILTY and walk away and not even have to speak to you or a judge, guess what my result is? 2 points and a fine! same thing! Right now, I'm most encouraged to get the judge to dismiss this where at least I'll get away with no points or fine, and guess what happens if I lose in court??? 2 points and a fine!! I have zero reason to sit here and get berated by you." He starts insulting me telling me I'm a wiseass, that I think the court room is a joke, that I am wasting the police forces time by having cops come to traffic court while there is a "state of emergency" going on in the country (this was during sandy). I said that's not my problem, if the officer isn't willing to come to court, I would advise you tell him to stop writing tickets. Look, you think you have problems? This week my house almost got destroyed, I have a house on the jersey shore. I have x y and z going on with my family. I have a business I run in your town here that fills your public coffers with revenue. You think I am spending more than 2 seconds of my day thinking about or worrying about this stupid ticket?? I've had enough of you , give me the parking ticket and we're done here, otherwise, you know what I am going to tell the judge. I am not taking your plea" I figured the same thing that happened to my friend would happen to me, where continuances would just keep rolling from the judge, so I was prepared to just pay a fine with no points and be done with this bully. He gives me the parking ticket with no points, opens the door, and as I walk out to the line of 30 people at the window, with cops everywhere, he yells out loud "I DONT EVER WANT TO SEE YOUR FACE SPEEDING IN MY TOWN AGAIN!!!!!" THe entire room looks at me, women literally grasped their little children tighter to their legs. It was as if I was a criminal. I said "well, I run a business that pays taxes to this town and supports the fine officers of your police force, so unfortunately you will be seeing a lot of me". He calls in another woman, my goodness, she was out of that room in 2 seconds, she immediately paid whatever plea he offered here, then he yells at me to "get back in his room" he proceeds to tell me I am a jerk, a wiseass, I think I'm funny. You can't make this stuff up. I asked if he was finished and that I would leave. There was a turning point where the guy laid off, told me a story about some friend he his has a house in toms river, and suddenly softened up. Moral of the story, these people use intimidation (and lies) to get you to plead. Their cops write nonsense tickets all the time, won't show up, and then the bulldog prosecutors seal the deal. The money stays in house. It's a great business model. How dare someone demand their rights, and see the evidence laid before them. You are a condescending "wiseass" if you do that, and you are "putting people at risk during a state of emergency" Moral of the story???? Get a ticket, never pay it. I urge everyone who gets a speeding ticket to in writing with a certified letter, petition for discovery. Half of the time, they won't have anything and it will get thrown out. What matters is having the stamina of taking on their bullying tactics. If everyone didn't bend over like these scared housewives I saw in that courthouse, they would clog up those courts so fast, that these police chiefs would be FORCED to tell their officers "stop writing bs tickets, you better have the goods when you pull someone over." then you don't have to waste the courts time, you just serve the defendant their discovery and they are screwed and case is closed. Clog up those bully municipal courts, make them think twice before LYING about what you were doing.

ah, I didn't register that part. You got me all hot and bothered with that price point.

Funny you ask. I will be sharing something very soon

It's not about winning an intellectual argument. You can't win that, they don't see eye to eye with you. And that's not your goal. Your goal is to preserve and advance your rights. It's about image. If you can't make them see the light, then make them feel the heat. I've described the tactics and the questions that they should be asked many times in other threads about letter writing.

Do you guys truly believe, that the reason the healthcare bill passed, was because of a lack of letter writing to public officials? You saw old geezers show up to town halls and screaming at their reps.You saw a constituent interaction with their public officials on a level we hadn't seen in years. It still passed. Stupak and a handful of other politicians got bribed enough at the 11th hour and it got done. Your letters got recycled. Mind you, stupak lost his position after the next election. Cuomo, Feinstein, Bloomberg, these people do not care about your letters. They value their careers, not your opinions, and they know that given their constituents, they can keep the first without listening to the second. The sooner you guys understand this, the sooner we can stop this bleeding. You need to EMBARRASS them. Document and film them. Follow them around everywhere they go, asking them the "win/win" type questions in which they have no answer to give that makes them look good. Force them to run away from you into a black town car that speeds away. Force them to tell you they have to run into a meeting. Gather these clips of all these reps ducking your questions, and PUBLISH IT. Stop writing damn letters. if you want to rub one out to feel good, go get some lube and tug yourself. Whatever pleasure these letters are giving you is not and will not result in anything, and it won't stop the avalanche. Remember, you live in NJ, not Alaska. You have to consider your electorate and your leaders. Someone will be bought at the 11th hour, if it comes to that, and they will laugh at you. You have to take the action to the other team. Make them answer your questions (and look foolish and hypocritical) or force them to run away from you. You get 10 citizens to document the same politician ducking the same question 10 different times, you just made a youtube sensation and a political game changer. You write a letter to their office..they laugh, shred it, and send you a form letter saying "thank you for your letter on gun issues. We will be sure to consider it. Suck a d***""

I am in the market for this piece. Was that a special, or is that their actual price for the inox? Most places sell it for 700-800 They may get more NJ biz if 600 is the going rate

Ill say it again. Forget the letters. Find out who proposed these bills, and follow these people with your iPhones. Ask the questions to their face on the street, 10xs a day, on camera. There must have been a handful of different people involved in these bills. Make them regret even proposing these psychotic measures Document them every waking moment of their lives. Stop wasting your postage and my tax dollars on their pathetic staffers shredding your letters

There is little value in patronizing a business you don't support by..giving them your money. They can't stop you from using a credit card that will donate to a cause they may hate, but you are still keeping them in business and giving them revenue. If you want to show a business you disagree with them, go to their competitor and use your NRA card there. They win by getting your business, and you win by making the small donation. And the anti-2a business loses by being out the revenue. I have the NRA card myself. Get's a smile when you use it at a gun store almost every time.

This did us absolutely no favors. I have zero sympathy for conspiracy theories. He had opportunity to bring up that the Oregon shooter was stopped by a citizen carrying a gun, but was too wrapped up in his emotion. That entire interview I was answering Piers questions and not once did Alex say what I was thinking. This is just painful to listen to. Piers intelligently sat there with a Mona Lisa smile and won through silence. Alex came on way too hard and said the wrong things, and then went off on looney tangents.

One thing I remember about my time in Waterbury is that they proudly refer to themselves as "the brass city" because they used to manufacture all the bullets used in WWII. Used to have proud heritage and good solid working class community. Timex had a factory there and there still is a Timex tower next to the mall if my memory serves me right. Now...it is the most strange indescribable mix of a hybrid between redneck/urban thug mix. White trash with puffy jackets and backwards hats with a redneck moustache.... It's really hard to describe. South of 84 towards Naugatuck it is normal suburbs, but north of the Waterbury mall its just these total weridos who live in these run down houses along the hills.

And now for some irony http://nhregister.com/articles/2009/10/01/news/new_haven/a1-copsguns.txt?mobredir=false Also, someone in the comments of that article made an excellent point. If the chief is truly worried about a gun used in his town to commit crime, 1. Maybe take it away from his own officers like the guy above , but more importantly 2. Ask ruger to remove all their offices and factories from the state, which I am sure generates them millions in corporate and sales tax revenue. Don't be a pussy. You stand behind flawed logic, than stand behind it all the way. Let a good state take all that tax revenue and give it up NOW What loathsome hypocrites

I used to live here, in the outskirts in the quiet suburbs. That town is a dump. They were quick with my ccw permit though

No one said to wait and do nothing. I never said that. And don't say "the NRA should do X" they won't do anything either. They will fight legal battles, (the ones they think they can win typically). I say this as an NRA member. I know what my money goes to, and it is little to do with activism. Don't say THEY should do it, WE should do it. Take your iPhone, wait outside a congressional office. Get 5 of your friends to do the same. You follow these clowns 24/7 from multiple angles without stopping the bombardment of on camera questions. if it isn't recorded, it never happened. In this generation, video is the end-all be all. Nothing is fact until it is recorded. You have a politician like Menendez avoiding multiple constituents on camera refusing to talk to them, and then publish it, that is 10xs more effective than writing stupid emails they don't even respond to. The alternative media will then take your video and run with it. You have to force them to make a very difficult decision. If you approach them with a camera with intelligent questions, they know they can't answer. They can't answer because their questions are inherently hypocritical (even more glorious if you get stopped, BY COPS WITH GUNS, from being able to approach them. That is worth it's weight in gold) They will either run away from you, skirt you, or say some generic irrational answer that has NOTHING to do with what you said. You think these jerks are going to admit they are hypocrites? never. There is literally no answer they can give you if you ask the right questions, where the answer makes them look good. We have the advantage in being correct. They are inherently wrong. TAKE ADVANTAGE. I feel like people think its therapeutic to blast off an electronic message and then you kick up your feet and pat yourself on the back. It does absolutely nothing. Meanwhile in our complacency of self-congratulation of having written a few dumb emails, they are busy eroding our most important rights. I wrote my letters to all my reps, and now I am working diligently to capture these people in their lies. You all should do the same. Nothing illegal: just be direct, and shove a camera in their face 24/7. Make them feel the heat.

Think about it, if you were them (the menendezs and lautenbergs of the world) why should you care?? They are in a states or districts that are so skewed to their party, they don't have to listen. The media is now a vanguard for the state. We can not rely on them to do their job. They are actually working actively against us. Please, waste little time with emails. Take your iPhone camera and walk up to one of these clowns. They control what they say in their prepared statements, and the stenographers in the press diligently copy and relay their message. The only way you get them off their game is on your terms. One video and an internet connection is all it takes to change the world these days.

the traditional press has failed America. We all know they serve their narrative and nothing else. But we are blessed with the freedom of Youtube, email, and social networks. It's our job to police the public. Anyone that supports these measures, have a camera on them 24/7. They do not breathe, without being asked about why they are above the law. They should not be able to walk to a car or into a building with a moment's peace

I've said this before and I'll say it again. These people don't care what you say.You email them, they exercise their delete key. You mail them, they exercise their shredder, or respond with a heartless form letter. They have entire rooms of like minded people dedicated to laughing at your letters that you send them. Put cameras in their faces. Follow them everywhere. Ask them why their lives (protected by security) are more valuable than a regular citizen. Ask them to disarm their entire security detail to comply with what they ask of the citizens. Get them on tape, and spread that online. It is a million times more effective then sending them emails they do not read or care about. One of them is bound to F up. They will either blow up on you, they will (never ) agree to actually disarm, all that's left is a solid video of them running away and avoiding you, or them actually arguing cops and politicians need guns. Now you have footage of a politician on the record saying some lives are more valuable than others, some people are above the law. Do it to every single congressman or senator who writes or supports these bills. Every single state. Find their homes, find their offices, tape them 24/7, never stop asking the questions. Then package that footage to youtube and watch it percolate.