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Interesting point. If you used physical force (hands and feet) within reason inside your home, to detain them I think you would be correct because they committed a felony (burglary). As silly as it sounds you may have to first secure your weapon, or risk a physical fight with your weapon readily accessible. is it doesn't become self defense anymore once you now become the instigator or pursuer if the situation escalates then to an aggravated assault or worse somebody dies during the struggle. I envy the states with a good castle doctrine. I know what I want to say I hope I am being clear. I can see the suspects attorney now, "My client realized the error of his misguided ways and immediately became remorseful and tried to leave you and your family unharmed, but that wasn't good enough for you. You had to chase and hunt him down like a dog because you wanted revenge, you couldn't wait to shoot somebody" or worse "Of course my client grabbed your gun during the struggle you started, he was fighting for his life and was forced to shoot you with your own gun in order to defend himself. Your Honor my client is seeking damages for his mental anguish."

I did a quick search and couldn't find any 15 round magazines for a the Glock 17, is my only option getting the 17 rounders blocked to 15 or am I stuck with the 10's? Also is anybody around here doing the conversion if I wanted 15? Thanks in adavance.

I called to say thanks, it only took a few seconds.

Interesting topic. What made me think of this was the story of the woman getting beaten in front of her two year old son recently in the news. I would like to think I would intervene to stop that assault but my memory gets fuzzy as to the aftermath. Can I detain the suspect, and if they decide they don't want to wait for the police can I use physical force to detain? (common sense of course should prevail as to the type of force) Yes I am a retired LEO and yes I should remember. Honestly, in my career I never encountered this except for the loss prevention officers stopping shoplifters in the store, and that was only to prevent loss of property not life. I know how the statute reads regarding citizens right to use of force to prevent serious bodily injury etc, but I cant pinpoint the detention part.

For what its worth, letting it lapse into law is being just as culpable as signing it himself, no excuse for me at least. I will call Monday and get at least 3 more to call.

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Heck im in/ Pre LEO I was and still am an RN with ER Specialty. we can trade some skills. Watched a thousand sutures never did any myself. We can set it up, its your party you decide if anyone else is welcome.

Agreed you need to know what your doing, they all have their place. a couple in the bag with an education.

Look into occlusive/ Vaseline dressings, for chest wounds.

Tri- fuel conversion if you could. My Bro did the conversion on his, runs on NG,LP and regular gas. Just a note the house NG doesn't have as many BTU's as the LP or regular gas, so make sure you have at least 5/8 or 3/4 line running to genny hookup as the 1/2 NG line would make them (2) stutter/choke at the start.

Depends on the neighbor lol

AS Midwest said: The most likely is social/financial collapse, in my opinion. Agreed.

Hurricane Sandy was a quasi good example, we were without power 7-10 days, and it sucked, even with generators. I have family still active LEO and believe me there were people on the fringe of really losing it. Example fist fights , stabbings in the gas lines. (Kept quiet) . If the event were for an extended period of time as a whole, and no there was where to leave to, it would have gotten rather ugly relatively quick. Shoot, just to get milk for my little ones was a couple hour event. I wont complain as I still had a house to live in, unlike how some folks ended up. Lessons I got out of that movie: Bug in until you cant anymore Location /event specific of course, but ultimately movement is key. Move or Die basically and in the end, you only got what you can carry on your back.

You guys ever watch " The road", took me two sittings, its a tough watch. Holy Crap. PSA- make sure you have more than a couple bullets when SHTF. I can definitely see cannibalism if stuff gets that bad.

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So far I got nothing, for some reason the other day I started thinking I should look into this. I carry insurance on everything else, in case. We all work too hard and too long to have everything taken away in a scenario that I hope to god would never happen. Defense attorneys and of course the ALWAYS civil action that follows would be devastating even if you are 100% correct in your actions. I will report back any research I find worth talking about, Thank you.

Any of you guys have ccw insurance? Any one better the the next or pretty much all the same? Any recommendations? I assume it's worth it.

I have a glock 30 gen 4 also owned glock 30 sf gen 3 , VERY VERY nice and mild shooting handguns. If you like the size I recommend that, I pick up a 21 tomorrow. The 30 fully loaded has some weight to it which I believe helps with the recoil. Its probably one of my favorite handguns I own. Hold both the 30 and 21 and see which one feels good. If you have small to medium hands I recommend the gen 4 or gen 3 sf models. A pierce mag plus 0 extension with the little pinky grip is the icing on the cake.

Well the only logical conclusion is to ban knives, do it for the children.

This is worth repeating.

Ouch, that exact type thing happened to somebody I know while he was hopping a fence and the gun went bang when he landed, it didn't help his finger was in the trigger guard.

Thank you.

Can you guys clear this up please. A friend of mine moves to PA and takes his nj compliant long guns with him. Now he wants to sell one, Can I do a person to person purchase just like here, and bring it home myself?