Pythagoras

Because they're freaking morons.

I have to echo: Why the Beretta Cx4 Storm? Seriously, WTF? It's just a big pistol! *headdesk*

I am a very vocal pro-gun advocate on Facebook, which has led several people to ask me about how to buy a gun in NJ, so I have put together a "Gun Law Basics" form to give out to prospective gun owners because I got tired of typing the same thing over and over. (Note that it is geared to college students, so age is a concern.) Partially in response to the discussion in the "Not good folks" thread, I'm thinking about expanding it into a larger primer/ info packet that addresses more of NJ's firearms laws. In particular, I want to add sections on the AWB and evil feature list to educate the uninformed. Anyway, I'd like to share the "Gun Law Basics" form and see what you guys think about it. Any feedback from you folks with more experience is welcome and revisions will certainly be made. Gun_law_basics_layman_terms.pdf

This ^^^ times a thousand. Can we put the NJ2AS video "The Never-ending Saga of Firearms Ownership in New Jersey" or something similar on TV? Please let's fix this. What would it take for NJ2AS to put a TV commercial together? This. Uninformed people have formed a law-requesting lynch mob. Does anyone know what the process is for citizens to address the legislature? Can some of our more eloquent, well-versed-in-the-law members actually show up while they're talking about the bill and ask the anti's to explain exactly why they support each and every part of the bill?

Slingshots are 100% illegal. I wanted one (Thank you Chvl67 for the link) We with FPID cards can purchase as many shotguns and rifles as we want and a handgun every month, but somehow we can't be trusted with a slingshot. Nor can we be trusted with pepper spray if the can is more than 3/4 ounces! handgun = okay slingshot = crime ounce of pepper spray = crime

Thanks for the review!

This. Why does everyone in the media think every police officer is automatically an expert on everything firearms related? I hate how the anti's always say "If a cop can shoot himself then you can't possibly be trusted to handle a gun!"

How true. My generation is full of idiots, and I'm scared of what my political science-major peers will do when they get into office...

I think maybe Texas is ballsy enough....

It's the same old story: talk is cheap, so gun owners need to put up or shut up. If the worst happens, I'd like to think I would take up arms and defend the Constitution from its domestic enemies in office, but like everyone else I would be giving up a lot. I'm about to start a 6 year term in graduate school to get a PhD, which impacts my whole career and affects how well I expect to live and provide for a family. It's easy to talk tough, but a lot harder to actually sacrifice everything you have and hope to have. If it gets bad enough, everyone has to make that decision for themselves. But I promise you this: if a civil war breaks out over this, I know which side I'll be on.

I hate to say it, but I think you're right. Making plans to run for Texas if the worst happens.

I like it too! I want to see this passed!

Don't get me wrong, I understand that we have to play compromise where we ask for more than we think we can get just so we can "make a concession or two" but I say we leave that to the political game. I'm talking about the social outreach to people who are "in the middle" as NeverEnuffAmmo says in his video that was posted in the this guy gets it" thread. We have moderate people who don't know what the existing laws are so they get caught up in the panic and clamor for more. They are still reachable, and we want themon our side instead of the anti side. If we just come in bazookas blazing, they're going to write us off as nutjobs which the anti's are oh so willing to encourage. I think we need to show ourselves as the rational people who follow the laws and jump through legal hoops so we can show the anti's are the panicking nutjobs THEY are who have no idea what they're talking about. Believe me, I want to CC on the Rutgers campus more than anything, but coming out with that now could do more harm than good.

I want to go on the offensive more than anything, but unfortunately we are still in our own red zone. We need to make it to the 50 yard line before we can even dream about scoring. I think our mission right now is to make NJ anti-gunners look at the laws on the table, especially with the first NJ2AS video. I have been spaming it on facebook and all my antigun "friends" had no idea NJ laws were "already so tough." We need to make them aware of our current laws so they realize they don't need more. After we get back to the status quo we should THEN push like the tough MFers we are

From what I've seen of these guys' posts/vidoes, I'd be very happy with them representing us.

Wow, didn't know that. Thanks for educating me

Good to hear! Maybe I'm missing something...why do you need a new shotgun? Don't you just use different shells?

First of all, I love your name/avatar. Second: If it gets to this point, I really hope our men and women in uniform remember their oath was to the Constitution before and above all other considerations.

Not wrong at all; I call it being prepared! Especially for some good factory mags on a sweet sale, get 'em while they're hot (I even bought some M1 Garand en bloc clips on a good sale just because I expect to get a rifle from CMP later this year)

How's the pump handle? Asking since I handled the Remington and the Mossberg and while the Remington was nice and tight, the Mossberg had a lot of "wiggle" and felt a bit cheap (not trying to hate on any Mossberg fans, just my experience in-store).

Looking at getting my first shotgun. Seems the Remington 870 and Mossberg 500 are very popular, but the Winchester 1300 Defender has 8+1 capacity and that's just too good to pass up. Does anybody own/have thoughts on the Winchester?

Me too! Wish the law would allow it...

This. The Second Amendment was written in a time when the arms kept by private citizens were exactly the same as the arms kept by the military. There is no other way to interpret the Second Amendment, so any opposition must either suck it up or try to repeal (good luck with that) NY just moved the line from 10 to 7. WTF? "Shall not be infringed" is pretty clear: no lines allowed.

This.

Aww, it's like a baby Beretta 92! I agree, I like the old one with the wood grips. That sounds like a good deal, but I think it's a little bigger than I'm looking for. Meanwhile the the SW BG380 and Colt Pony look too small for my hands. I know I'm not making it easy with the size requirements: big enough for my hand but small enough to make an easy CCW. I think I'm gonna go with either the Walther or the Bersa depending on budget, unless someone comes along with something interesting out of left field. Thanks for all the input, everyone!