Pythagoras

And I'm a physicist. This means we know how law-constrained systems work. Whether it's physical laws set forth by nature or firearms laws written by men, we have the uncanny ability to understand what laws do. And that puts us in a great position to call out the people who have no idea what they're talking about.

PM sent, I know Walther is a good brand. But I'm still interested in what people have to say about "budget" .380 auto's of good quality.

Hi everyone, I'm thinking of getting a .380 auto. I know some people think it's not enough gun for a self-defense, but I have two reasons for it. 1. It's the biggest caliber my mom is willing/able to shoot. She won't touch my 92FS because it's heavy (she has wrist problems) and she's afraid the recoil will be too much. However, she was comfortable with a Sig P232 when we rented it, and it felt good in my hands too. 2. I may be leaving the People's Republic of New Jersey in a few months depending on grad school offers, so I'm thinking a .380 auto would make a nice CCW if/when I move to a free state. (There's no way I'm gonna try to conceal carry the Beretta.) Here's the rub: the P232 retails for $650 and I'm not looking to spend that much. I've looked at the Ruger LCP, but the grip looks pretty small (I'm 6'3" with big hands). I've also looked at the Bersa Thunder 380 and it seems nice, but I want to throw this out here before I make a move: Can anyone recommend some other .380 auto pistol that's good quality on a budget? Thanks, Pythagoras

Exactly. "Shall not be infringed"

This. Attention lawmakers: the Constitution is the supreme law of the land, so stop using it for toilet paper.

The way I see it, US vs Miller banned short-barrel-shotguns because the Court felt such weapons were NOT protected by the Second Amendment because they were unsuitable for militia service (see http://en.wikipedia....tates_v._Miller). This indicates that the Second Amendment protects militia-appropriate firearms, a.k.a. the Court thought the 2nd Amendment ONLY protects military-style weapons ... so all males 17-45 should possess an M4, an ACR, a FAMAS, etc. This also means the anti's who want to ban assault weapons are in direct opposition to this case law. tl;dr - US v Miller implies private citizens should be armed like the U.S. military

Thanks, will check out the Beretta forum I don't know about Firefox, but Chrome spellchecks the text box just fine, and it's lightning fast *shameless plug*

True, only an hour on 78 for me now that I Google-mapped it, same as Shore Shot. And after the range time, it would be nice open carry while grabbing a bite to eat outside of the Democratic People's Republic of New Jersey....

Okay, with two recommendations for Old Bridge, I decided to submit the "new member information request" form. Got the email and yikes! $300 initiation plus $384 annual dues seems so expensive! I'd definitely want to see it before I plunk down $684...that's a lot of money for a college student! I will say that it sounds great, though. 24/7 unlimited access to the indoor range is pretty sweet.

Thanks for all the welcomes, everybody! I went to Shore Shot yesterday, but they were really busy so I had to wait awhile for a lane. Also, it's an hour's drive on the parkway for me so it's not really ideal. I kinda wish the Heritage Guild in Rahway had a range attached...I can't bring myself to drive out to Easton every time I want to train. Can anyone recommend a place near the Scotch Plains/Fanwood/Westfield area that takes walk-ons? Haven't been able to find any nearby that aren't "members only" (maybe my Google Fu is just rusty?)

Thanks for the info, Blueskybob. Both Heritage stores are out and don't know when to expect a new shipment. Yeah, I saw the prices on gunbroker. Some around 1700? Crazy! Thanks for the info, Kelekona. Hope they continue soon. Sure is!

Like Kram, I *want* to own one really bad! Been saving for a few months and finally got the money together just in time for the gun-buying craze. When I went shooting at Shore Shot today, one of guys working there told me it's been discontinued. I haven't been able to corroborate this online; I wouldn't have thought this was true given the massive order from India (wikipedia), so can anyone here verify or refute? Agghh want one of these so bad!

Saw this fan-made trailer a while back...looks way better than the real one!

I've read the book 2 or 3 times and it's awesome. I always thought it would make for a really cool documentary/flashback/interview style movie. This could have been a FREAKING AWESOME game-changer, especially since WWZ focuses so much on "The Human Factor" of the zombie war. Instead, we're getting the usual Hollywood action movie with some zombies thrown in. I have to echo other posters and ask: Why bother paying for the name? *headdesk*

Just ordered 2 today. Not sure whether they're in stock or not since the product page says "Available" but lower down it also warns they can't take backorders because of high demand. Figured I'd try anyway for such a good price! P.S. Thanks for the link!

In Fanwood, applied for FPID + 1 PP in May, 2012. Received both on August 20, 2012.

Found this forum by doing a google search for NJ gun law discussions. Lurked for 8 months and finally decided to join!

Hi everybody! I'm a relatively new gun owner, bought a Beretta 92FS back in August after spending 4 whole months waiting for my FPID and pistol permit (at least my PD didn't add any extra documents) I think it's great that NJ2AS is working on that compliancy effort to get NJ to follow its own damn laws and I plan on joining/helping them after learning how many hoops others have had to jump through. I also want to thank everybody on here who posted the statutes and layman's term explanations in the NJ Gun Laws thread. That helped me out a lot and I think all of you guys with absurdly high post counts are great for helping new guys like me. -Pythagoras