ryan_j

Lawsuit was already started. Denied at the 3rd circuit, but still time to file a cert petition for the supreme court.

#1 is not entirely true. The qualification is member of an organized police department for 5 years OR 5 years investigative experience, which I believe means you can work under a PI. To operate a security company in NJ you need a private detective license, and you can even get a CCW with that (it will most likely be restricted, however). #2 I don't know if it's that easy. The NJAC is defined by a state agency known as the Office of Administrative Law or OAL. I believe the current definition of justifiable need came from previous court decisions. What would be interesting is if after Christie gets re-elected if he would be willing to mess with the definition of justifiable need as a lame duck since he can't be re-elected. And enacting CCW in NJ would help to rally the Republican base for a 2016 POTUS run. I think it may be worthwhile to ask an attorney such as Evan Nappen what he thinks about this. But judging from what he says in the book, basically the current definition was based on previous anti-gun court decisions. Of course this may all be moot if SCOTUS takes a case and we win.

Or the judge will put some ridiculous restriction on it that "must be strictly adhered to."

I can't use the link because I had previously generated a label which expired and it won't allow me to generate another. So I need to call.

I think we've well established that even the actual definition of justifiable need is not enough to get a permit, unless you really push hard and have something to embarrass the state with.

Judge will deny the permit. They'll see right through this.

Yes, I agree. A large part of this is people who are happy enough with what we have because it really doesn't affect them. Not just hunters but people who couldn't care for things like concealed carry and repealing/relaxing the AWB. People don't realize that they're one bill away from being an overnight felon.

It really doesn't matter. With regard to 2A he's basically going by the script so Weinberg won't be much worse. Christie already said that he won't sign key bills like a reduction in mag capacity. After Christie though, watch out. I feel that a hard leftist would be elected, probably as bad as or worse than Corzine. Then you can put your head between your legs and kiss your butt goodbye.

Way ahead of you. Already done. I donated to NJ2AS for the billboards as well. http://nj2as.com/EVENTS?eventId=752562&EventViewMode=EventDetails

That's more than 12%. The population of LGBT in NJ is something around 4% and they got a same sex marriage bill passed (vetoed by CC). They are increasingly showing their clout more and more and getting things they want. Nationally, only 11% of workers are union and they have a lot of influence in politics. They influence elections like no one else, other than probably big business. In NJ union members are around 16-17%. There's really no reason that we can't mobilize and get what we want. We have numbers. We just need to complain, complain loudly and do it together. Rattle some cages if you may.

Out of state no problem. I was thinking of what in NJ allows you to legally possess a handgun in an airport. You could argue 926A if you go directly from home to the airport I'm thinking.

Not only that but if you have justifiable need, like Muller's kidnapping and the judge in your county is handling the case for the criminal act against you they will assign a judge from another county to make it "fair." So for Muller they assigned a judge in Morris county instead of Sussex county where he lives.

But depending on the county you can get CCW. The only real silver lining.

How much of a minority are we though. Gun shops are sold out of ammo and some firearms. When I go to the police to pick up permits they always have a thick stack of them. And there's no space at the rifle range on the weekend, and indoor pistol ranges are usually full with a waiting list. Firearms classes are sold out, such as Nappen's gun law seminar which is booked into next year. I'm thinking our minority status is greatly exaggerated. We aren't going to get millions but we can muster up a few thousand. If we get out the vote and kick a few people out (like Sweeney) we can send a message.

I think we can prevail again. Reason being that the push after Sandy hook has brought light to the attack on gun rights. Not only that, but the democrats are doing it in a really underhanded manner. It's not just about the guns but it's about dirty politics. NY SAFE gets passed in the middle of the night, the Colorado bills get passed without proper public input and NJ rules get broken and senators talk in a condescending manner when they think they're off mic. Those issues get people riled up. We have to not only push gun rights but also show that the people who are against gun rights think that they're better than you.

Clearly racist. Silverman shows her true colors.

That's only one part of it. The other part is the big cities who make up the majority of the welfare state. California has the same problem only much worse. They have 1/3 of the welfare recipients in the United States... Nothing is wrong with helping people who stumble on hard times but it's a different story when generations are dependent. I don't think NJ can rally the bases quite like Colorado but we do have a few things working for us. Half of our congressional delegation is Republican. We have a Republican governor (as bad as he is on gun issues) We have strong 2nd amendment supporters on both sides of the aisle (mchose, carroll, van drew etc) We have suburbs and rural areas that lean conservative. Also, I believe that the bear hunt helped push Christie over the top to win over Corzine. Yes, Corzine was atrocious but he was absolutely backed by organized labor and lost. He was even backed by Obama and lost. So gun issues do play somewhat, but we have to recruit the sportsmen.

Yeah guys, just give up now because that's the best way to get more people on board with the cause.

Greg revell from Utah would disagree.

They fall under "security guard."

I didn't have any of those.

These are security guard permits though. Regular civilians would have something a bit different, I'd imagine without the work questions. And restocking ATMs with cash isn't necessarily a justifiable need, as plaintiff John M Drake in Drake v Filko has proven.

So that I have this straight. NJ resident with a handgun, going directly from home to EWR airport, no problem? Non-resident with handgun, going from hotel to airport, felony? Correct?

True. How about Critical Duty? That one supposedly is up to spec. I see it's on the list.

I don't want to trim down mine because it might be mistaken for a forgery (as if it was hard to forge one).