Howard

Nuclearheli - Technically you are 100% correct. But for the average person it still is not the smartest thing to do. Remember the law is what a given judge or jury says it is. Do you want to be the test case, do you want to spend more time and money to defend yourself because some anti's jacked you up for this? It's just like you are free to drive around wearing camouflage and having lots of pro-gun stickers all over your car - but why would you want to make yourself a target. In this day an age it is just better to keep a low profile and not make yourself a target. Are you likely to have a problem, no. Further, the way you do it with justification of going to a match you are probably going to be fine. But for most people it is less than a genius thing to do for a routine visit to the range.

Is it legal, probably; is it a smart thing to do, probably not. How long does it take you to load a few mags at the range? Is it worth the risk to pre-load? Let's look at this way, the law is only what a given judge or given jury decides it is on a given day. So, let's say you are unfortunate enough to end up in front of a jury. Would you rather or rather not have them told that you had weapon(s) in your vehicle and you had loaded magazines (perhaps 5 15 round magazines) and were prepared to do god knows what? Isn't it better to just not do it.

Silent Patriot, sounds like you have recently been talking with a lawyer

Yea I heard it was bad in the past but I have had it for a year and it works great.

Just got that same page a few minutes ago. I had searched for new posts and when I clicked the little "2" to go to the second page of threads it gave me the oops! page.

I have a VOIP line through cablevision for one line, and use magicjack plus for another line - both work great. Magicjack plus plugs into your router - no computer needed and backfeeds you house line. I think the unit cost about $60 and I got five years of service for $100.

If you go to Ballistol's web site they list authorized distributors and I vaguely recall one in the Fairfield or Paterson area

I was in my neighborhood restaurant this morning and was seated behind a group of jubilant individuals celebrating the coming implementation of the health care bill. I could not finish my breakfast. This is what ensued: They were a diverse group of several races and both sexes. I heard a young man exclaim, "Isn't Obama like Jesus Christ ? I mean, after all, he is healing the sick." A young woman enthusiastically proclaimed, "Yeah, and he does it for free. I cannot believe anyone would think that a free market wouldn't work for health care." Another said, "The stupid Republicans want us all to starve to death so they can inherit all of the power. Obama should be made a Saint for what he did for those of us less fortunate." At this, I had more than enough. I arose from my seat, mustering all the restraint I could find, and approached their table. "Please excuse me; may I impose upon you for one moment ?" They smiled and welcomed me to the conversation. I stood at the end of their table, smiled as best I could and began an experiment. "I would like to give one of you my house. It will cost you no money and I will pay all of the expenses and taxes for as long as you live there. Anyone interested ?" They looked at each other in astonishment. "Why would you do something like that ?" asked a young man, "There isn't anything for free in this World." They began to laugh at me, as they did not realize this Man had just made my point. "I am Serious, I will give you my house for free, no money whatsoever. Anyone interested ?" In unison, a resounding "Yeah" fills the room. "Since there are too many of you, I will have to make a choice as to who receives this money-free bargain." I noticed an elderly couple was paying attention to the spectacle unfolding before their eyes, the old man shaking his head in apparent disgust. "I tell you what; I will give it to the one of you most willing to obey my rules." Again, they looked at one another, an expression of bewilderment on their faces. The perky young Woman asked, "What are the rules ?" I smiled and said, "I don't know. I have not yet defined them. However, it is a free home that I offer you." They giggled amongst themselves, the youngest of which said, "What an old Coot. He must be crazy to give away his home. Go take your med's, old Man." I smiled and leaned into the table a bit further. "I am Serious, this is a legitimate offer." They gaped at me for a moment. "I'll take it you old fool. Where are the keys ?" boasted the youngest among them. "Then I presume you accept 'ALL' of my terms then ?" I asked. The elderly couple seemed amused and entertained as they watched from the privacy of their table. "Oh yeah ! Where do I sign up ?" I took a napkin and wrote, "I give this Man my home, without the burden of financial obligation, so long as he accepts and abides by the terms that I shall set forth upon consummation of this transaction." I signed it and handed it to the young Man who eagerly scratched out his signature. "Where are the keys to my new house ?" he asked in a mocking tone of voice. All eyes were upon us as I stepped back from the table, pulling the keys from pocket and dangling them before the excited new homeowner. "Now that we have entered into this binding contract, witnessed by all of your friends, I have decided upon the conditions you are obligated to adhere to from this point forward. You may only live in the house for one hour a day. You will not use anything inside of the home. You will obey me without question or resistance. I expect complete loyalty and admiration for this gift I bestow upon you. You will accept my commands and wishes with enthusiasm, no matter the nature. Your morals and principles shall be as mine. You will Vote as I do, think as I do and do it with blind faith. These are my terms. Here are your keys." I reached the keys forward and the young man looked at me dumbfounded. "Are you out of your mind ? Who would ever agree to those ridiculous terms ?" the young man appeared irritated. "You did when you signed this contract before reading it, understanding it and with the full knowledge that I would provide my conditions only after you committed to the agreement." The elderly Man chuckled as his Wife tried to restrain him. I was looking at a now silenced and bewildered group of people. "You can shove that stupid deal up your ass old Man. I want no part of it !" exclaimed the now infuriated young man. 'You have committed to the contract, as witnessed by all of your friends. You cannot get out of the deal unless I agree to it. I do not intend to let you free now that I have you ensnared. I am the power you agreed to. I am the one you blindly and without thought chose to enslave yourself to. In short, I am your Master." At this, the table of celebrating individuals became a unified group against the unfairness of the deal. After a few moments of unrepeatable comments and slurs, I revealed my true intent. "What I did to you is what this Administration and Congress did to you with the health care legislation. I easily suckered you in and then revealed the real cost of the bargain. Your folly was in the belief that you can have something you did not earn, and for that which you did not earn, you willingly allowed someone else to think for you. Your failure to research, study and inform yourself permitted reason to escape you. You have entered into a trap from which you cannot flee. Your only chance of freedom is if your new Master gives it to you. A freedom that is given can also be taken away. Therefore, it is not freedom at all." With that, I tore up the napkin and placed it before the astonished young Man. "This is the nature of your new Health care legislation." I turned away to leave these few in thought and contemplation -- and was surprised by applause. The elderly Gentleman, who was clearly entertained, shook my hand enthusiastically and said, "Thank you, Sir. These kids don't understand Liberty ." He refused to allow me to pay my bill as he said, "You earned this one. It is an honor to pick up the tab." I shook his hand in thanks, leaving the restaurant somewhat humbled and sensing a glimmer of hope for my beloved Country. Remember ... Four boxes keep us free: The Soap Box, The Ballot Box, The Jury Box, and The Cartridge Box. THIS SHOULD GO AROUND THE UNITED STATES SO PEOPLE CAN SEE JUST WHAT IS GOING ON. MAYBE EVEN THE POLITICALLY BLIND ONES WILL LEARN SOMETHING FROM IT. "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the American Government take care of him, better take a closer look at the American Indian." - - Henry Ford

Time to open the pool? It was time about six weeks ago!!!

Yup! The way I see it I am just going to skate by in using four permits in 180 days. I really don't understand the purpose of OGAM anyway. If I already bought one what does waiting a month do to help society? I could use the one I already have to do bad things if I was so inclined. Further assuming I was a bad guy and somehow did legally get that one, I could use that one to help me steal others if I really needed them fast. I just don't get it.

No I think it is stupid legislation. I was commenting that Bob stated it was dumb like a fox. I don't agree, as it really does nothing but require this technology for all new models of guns - not existing models that are in production or will be produced in the future. Thus, it will be legal to sell a new Glock G17 for as long as Glock continues to manufacture the weapon. It will only be mandated on a newly designed model. The issue is what does this really accomplish. I am sure the bad guys will file off the serial number that the etching device will stamp on each casing anyway. Just plain stupid.

I don't think its dumb like a fox Bob. It only bans new models not existing models of a gun. So if Glock came out with something called a G222 it would have to comply, but they can sell a G22 there without the modifications.

Calif. law takes effect on microstamping guns http://www.sacbee.com/2013/05/18/5430874/calif-law-takes-effect-on-microstamping.html Any new model of semi-auto gun sold in the People's Republic of California must now stamp the make, model and serial number on each casing it fires. Evidently there are 1,200 semi's in the current database and they are exempt. I guess this means those in California will never be able to buy a new model of a gun as what companies are actually going to implement this in their guns. I guess the dumb lawmakers have no clue that people reload casings either. What are they going to do when they find a casing at a crime scene that has two, three or more stamps on the casing.

I agree for SD you should stick with stock setup, but the ejector issue is a non-issue as the conversion barrel is offset to the left to make the straight ejector work just finne with 9mm. That is why you don't just drop a stock 9mm barrel in it

7:45? Do you have your own key? The doors don't open till 8:00am? We're you there when Mike fired the BFG 50 cal? Brad scared the crap out of me when he shouted cease fire and tapped me on the shoulder. I had Springsteen on so loud under my muffs that I never heard him.

Troy, I sure hope you did not see it this morning as I was there at about 8:15 and did not see you and Brad put it aside for me. Is there something I need to worry about?

That's a good one. We all know criminals know and obey all laws. Hey, I bet they even stop to pee while carrying!

I saw some at Heritage Guild on RT22 a week or so ago. I use it all the time and love it.

OGAM is saving me from my new addiction. I had to wait one week to run nics on gun #2, then I had to wait two weeks to run nics on gun #3. I swore I would wait a while for gun #4 but fell in love with one this morning. But I will have to wait three weeks to run the nics on it. If not for OGAM I might have a dozen guns already BTW: This is gun #4 http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_814072_-1__775654__ProductDisplayErrorView_Y

Thanks, some very good ideas there.

I've got a Gen4 G22 and it eats everything I feed it with no issues. Further, I would recommend it to anyone that wants a 9mm as all you have to do is buy a 9mm conversion barrel and 9mm mag and you are set to fire both 9mm and .40cal. It gives you two guns in one.

Good idea, I will do that. Thanks.

Just got it again: http://njgunforums.com/cgi-sys/suspendedpage.cgi and this was for a thread I started about two hours ago.

They were for threads that were only created in the last day or so. Don't think it is a cache/cookie/temp issue as when I try a few minutes later all is well. It has happened about 6 or 8 times today.

Many times today when I click on a topic I get a screen that says oops "Temporarily down for maintenance!" What is going on as I have other links that work fine at the same time.