Howard

Ok, I think I can reconcile what you are both saying about the trigger pull. On the surface they sounded counter to each other but now it makes sense.

Wow that is great. I never thought my Huskies were great guard dogs, maybe I need to train them like this one.

This is printed on the back of my RTSP membership card (see attached).

I heard this was a targeted shooting, not a random crazy, and it was done in the parking lot NOT in the school. But who knows, the early reports are usually wrong.

I was joking, I don't really think anyone is stupid enough to actually do that.

Thanks. I am confused when you say "becoming more aware of when the hammer is going to drop" This seems to be in conflict (as I am reading it) to what someone else said to the effect that it should be a "surprise" as to exactly when the gun will fire. Maybe that is what I am doing wrong. I have found that I start to squeeze the trigger and then feel when it first makes contact and am then very aware of how much more a have to press till it will fire. Do you know of any Youtube or other video on the web that shows the finger position on the trigger that you are saying is easier to see than to describe in writing?

I wonder if the left leaning media is actually paying these sickos to go out and gun people down.

Thanks, I just printed that out and will study it. Your warning is a good one, and while I am always very careful to be sure the weapon is clear, it always is worth repeating it!!!

Wow this forum is awesome. I can’t believe I got a few quality responses this quick. Alec I have seen that target with the explanations before, but I am not certain being fairly new to handguns that I understand certain terminology. What does too little trigger finger mean? Also what does no follow through mean, I understand that as it relates to swinging a golf club or baseball bat but don’t get the concept as it relates to firing a pistol. Kingsoverqueens, when you say dry fire drills are you talking about placing an empty casing on top of the barrel? What else do I look for to see if I am doing it right or wrong? Also I will have to wait till I get permits and can actually buy my own pistol to do that I guess. 67gtonut, I would love to take you up on that offer. I will see if I can figure out how to message you off-line. 70gto, someone else shooting “my” gun won’t help as I don’t have one yet and have been using the rentals at RTSP. You are the second to mention dry fire – what is it that I actually try to measure when I do that, so that I am not just reinforcing bad habits. When you say square to the target I assume you are suggesting Isosceles rather than Weaver? I find I am more comfortable with my right arm straight and left slightly bent (Weaver) but that has me un-square to the target.

I just recently got the bug and have filed to get my FID. As a kid I was very good with a .22 bolt action rifle, but have not touched a gun in about 40 years. I have been learning pistol skills by watching videos online and by practicing at the range. I'm getting better and my groups are getting tighter. One thing I have noticed is that with a Glock G17 and G23 my shots tend to be center to left and down a little. Today I tried a .22 cal pistol and they too were center to left, but tended to be up a little. None of them were really badly off, i.e. the bad guy would not be leaving my bedroom. I shoot right handed and am right-eyed. I have been using a Weaver approach. So, my question is what am I doing that constantly causes me to be off to the left. Also I don't understand if it was me, or the .22 that these shots were consistently up while with the higher caliber they were consistently down. Any advice (if possible with what I have provided) would be greatly appreciated.

Very interesting topic. In the town of Dover (Morris County) during the warm weather the town has an organized flea market every Saturday. There is always a vendor there that has lots of BB pistols for sale. They are very real looking, in fact the first time I saw them there I thought they were real guns. The cops walk around and see this all day long and no one ever says a thing. How can this be?

Filed my paperwork in Randolph, NJ on Jan 14th, got my prints done at first day that worked on Jan 25th. Town sent out letters to my two references on Jan 25th and they arrived Jan 26th. My two references returned them on Jan 29th. So, I guess it is just wait and see now. Does anyone here have any experience with my town?

Thanks, that makes perfect sense.

Thanks for all the feedback, glad to know there are no issues. I have to admit that I am a little confused. Since the round is shifted slightly to one side I assume that the firing pin will not hit dead center on the round. Can anyone verify this, or does it actually hit dead center somehow?

I was wondering if there are any issues in using the conversion barrel in a Glock 23. My understanding is that to make the straight ejector work correctly with the 9mm ammo that the barrel is slightly off-set. Does this cause any issues as I would imagine that the firing pin no longer strikes the center of the round. Is that a correct assumption, and if so does it cause any issues?

I don't see the case ejecting back as a game stopper. In fact, based on my first go with the G17 I thought that was normal as in shooting 50 rounds the casing came back and hit me in the glasses or in the forehead at least a dozen times. That did not happen a single time with the G22 that I used today.

Interesting you mention that, as I had asked the guy his thoughts on the conversion barrels. At first he said it was a bad idea. When I brought up that I only wanted that for the range, not to use it for self defense he became open to it. His reluctance was that he said you are more likely to get jams and bad ejections with the conversion. Is that true, or perhaps is he looking to just sell more guns????

Well I went to the range today to try the G17, but unfortunately it was in use. So, I tried out the .40 cal G22. I was surprised that it was really no harder to handle than the 9mm. I actually shot much more accurately with it than I had done with the G17 - but that might have been me not the weapon as this was only my second time shooting. I did feel that the grip was a little large for me, but unfortunately they don't have a G23 to rent at RTSP I think they have a G19 so perhaps I should give that a try for size. These are all Gen3, but I took a look at the new (for sale) Gen4 Glocks and I sure like the grip on them better.

I went there last Monday (MLK day) and it was a total zoo, just walked out the door. Went back around 10am last Tuesday and walked right up and got on immediately.

What made you go with the M&P rather than the AA kit?

So if I get this correctly asking about what is better between the 17 and 19 is sort of like asking what is better a Ford or GMC truck I'm going to go give the 19 a try either tomorrow or Tuesday. Patriot Oak - Is the conversion barrel reliable? Which one would you suggest? Are their any downsides to doing that? As I mentioned I had hoped to get the Advantage Arms .22 cal slide but in checking online at Glockstore.com they seem to indicate that the backorder on these things is now over 12 months so I guess that option is out the window. What .22 cal semi would you guys suggest as one to use at the range for practice that would be somewhat similar in feel to a Glock?

Thanks Kotkot, actually I was thinking about making the G22 or G23 my second purchase. Purchase number three would probably be an Advantage Arms .22 cal slide to use at the range for some lower cost practice.

After using the 17 but once I can't say I have a strong preference as it is the only handgun I have ever even held. But I have done a fair amount of research on the net and think I would like to have a Glock. As I stated at the intro I was thinking the bigger one might be more accurate, but what I hear you and others telling me is there is not much difference. I guess I'll give the 19 a try and then have a basis for comparison.

Thanks for all the feedback. Yes I am in NJ (Morris County) so the 15 limit does apply. Guess I will give the 19 a try next time at the range. The 17 was comfortable, but I did not have anything to compare it too. Have not shot anything else but a .22 rifle.

I am new here and looking to buy a 9mm for home defense and target shooting. Went to the range the other day and tried out the Glock 17 and was quite pleased with it. I am looking for comments regarding the merits of this versus the smaller Glock 19. Since I am not looking to carry, the larger size is not an issue and I assume the larger 17 would also be more accurate. Comments appreciated.