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Today they have 5% off 9mm. Checked the 147 gr new (1,000) pricing and they boosted it to $240.32, take 5% off and that brings you to $228.304 -- BUT WAIT FOR IT, that is the price I paid for it when they offered it at regular price with free shipping last month. Love when they mark it up so they can mark it down.

I almost pulled the string on an order when I noticed the higher prices. A month ago I bought on the last free ship deal and it was $228.32 for 1,000 of 9m 147gr new, now they are asking $235.32. So, for $5 shipping the price is also $7 higher

Forget the guns, I felt like that yesterday. After shooting an IDPA match at Somerset with virtually not heat I went to RTSP for a USPSA match. When I came out after 11pm my car thermometer showed -3 degrees. Good think I have electrically heated seats, as on the 10 minute drive home the temperature gauge only went up to one bar and the car never was warm enough to generate heat.

THIS ENTIRE DISCUSSION IS JUST FURTHER PROOF THAT ACTIONS SHOULD BE ILLEGAL NOT OBJECTS!!!!

If you go with that argument then one could also argue that 15 round magazines are illegal because with many of them you can just take the removable base plate off and add readily available +1 or +2 base pads. Thus, you had best epoxy or weld the base pad on any magazine that can hold 14 rounds or more

Not that this even remotely applies yet, but if it did I would think you would not need a NJ P2P. That is a state law, and no other state has to comply with that for sales within their borders. Thus, you could purchase a handgun legally in state "X" as long as you met Federal and state "X" requirements. You then legally own that gun, and I believe NJ allows you to bring a gun into the state with no limitations (other than it be state compliant) that you legally obtained elsewhere. They would somehow have to change NJ law to prohibit that, and that would likely get challenged. Thus, when this all settles in 10 -15 years we can come back and revisit it

YUP. Mine even has a built in secondary magnetic catch that is designed to keep the door open about an inch when not in use. While they make special cleaning chemicals they are not really needed. MY LG has a machine cleaning cycle which they suggest you run once a month - no chemicals needed.

So you are agreeing with us that your original answer is BS, as in the real world dealing with real equipment theoretical stuff means zero as you have to factor in such things as friction and efficiency. Those were all the things we were talking about until you decided to make this a theoretical physics course. As far as washing you are confusing a solvent's theoretical ability to dissolve a solute or keep particles in suspension. In a top loaders the only physical rubbing takes place at the agitator, the rest of the clothing has virtually no rubbing due to the lubricity of the water and surfactants in the detergent. You do agree, don't you, that there is more friction between dry surfaces than those that are coated by water or oil? Thus there is actually more friction over greater surface areas in clothing in front load washers versus top load washers. This has nothing to do with what a given manufacturer has to say - this is reality. I've seen many of the studies done by various laundry trade associations and they all show that front load washers clean clothing better.

Too bad you wasted your odd on that!

First I would not waste my money on the lottery, investing in it is just flushing money down the crapper - you have a better chance of getting hit by lightning. That said, if you were to win big there would be no reason to move. You would have enough money that gun laws would not apply to you, you would be one of those that could buy a judge and get whatever permits you wanted. You also would not care about the taxes or the cost of living.

Well yea theoretically it takes the same energy, but you don't buy net energy you buy gross energy and thus you use less because of efficiency, we all get that DUH! But you still use a fraction of the energy input due to that efficiency today.

Geeze. I gave you the science experiment to try at your kitchen sink yet you still argue. Go try it and you will see. Just like new car utilize technology to move you with less energy new washers use a different method to clean clothing utilizing more physical contact and less water to get the same or better results.

Modern day front load machines have wash, rinse and extract stages - and they are all different. Wash is the physical rubbing of the clothing in water with detergent which both aides in the removal and prevents the dirt that is physically removed from being redeposited on the fabric. Rinse, well we all know what that is. Extraction is the mechanical spinning to remove water. You can dissolve more stuff in the ocean than in a gallon of water, but sometimes a shot glass is all you need. Once you can fully dissolve the solute it does not matter how much extra water you have. If you really believe that more soap is the answer then pour an entire bottle of detergent in your washer and see how well it works. Front load washers clean best with very low water levels for the wash cycle with a higher level for the rinse cycle. If you really don't believe this it is probably best that you do a science experiment. Go to your kitchen sink with very dirty hands and pour lots of liquid dishwashing soap on them and wash them. What you will find is the soap acts as a lubricant and you don't get very much friction when you rub your hands together and it becomes very difficult to rinse all the soap off unless you use lots and lots of water - and your hands don't get that clean. Now go out and dirty your hands again. This time wet your hands just a little bit and put one or two drops of that same liquid soap on your hands, now rub them a bunch and then rinse - the soap will all come off quickly and your hands will be much cleaner than the first time you did this. Modern front load washers use the second method to clean. What you knew as fact in the past is no longer the case today. Different technology works differently. Old cars could get you from point A to B using a gallon of gasoline to take you 8-12 miles. Newer cars with new technology will do the same and can do it yielding you 30-50 miles per gallon or more.

Don't know off hand, but I would tend to treat it as a wine stain. This is a good resource for stain removal: http://www.tide.com/en-US/stains/top-stains.jspx

More water + same number of wash/rinse cycles = better cleaning perhaps in a top load machine where the clothing sit submersed in water. In a top load machine if you don't fill it with water then the clothing at the top does not get wet. Front load machines are a totally different animal. I know I can't convince you because you seem to know the answer to this better than someone that was in the industry, better than the manufacturers and better than those that operated these machines as a business. The reason no one asked for a rewash is that they were always happy with the output, just concerned about the input. These same people that complained almost always became long term customers.

I've had my LG units for four years and never a single issue and I know several people that have them as well and no issues.

Laundromat customers always bitch about the water level as they assume high water level and lots of suds means better cleaning. That is why Maytag took the glass away from the smaller front loaders as they did not want people bitching. Whenever a customer would complain about water level I just explained that what they saw was the optimum water level as determined by the manufacturer and told them if they were ever not satisfied with how clean the clothing were we would run the machine again for them at no cost. I think I was taken up on that offer twice in 12 years of operation. BTW I am sure your machine has a setting where you can increase the water level if you are not happy. If not the level is most likely controlled by a pressure switch that has a small tube feeding into a diaphragm. There should be a set screw, turn it to increase or decrease the water level to make you happy.

Yea I agree. I was located in a high cost area, also had more WDF business than I could handle so priced it high as it made more sense to have a high margin than more volume.

Well I'll tell you I have to question the economics, but it is a great service. I offered that, including pickup and delivery, for years when I owned my laundry. I always marketed it as a service for people that had more dollars than they had time I have to question the $60 a month though, you either don't get much clothing washed or found a place that is significantly undercharging for the service. I know three or four years ago I was charging $1.75 a pound with a 10 pound minimum order size.

Dude you are making less sense each time your write, perhaps its time to stop. How does the dirt get baked on any differently if you take the wet clothing and put them in a separate dryer than if you just put heat on the when they are done washing in the same machine. The answer is.......there is no difference. Yes old fashioned front loaders used more water, but they changed the design. Most new ones have the drums tilted with the front higher than the back. Thus, you see very little water through the glass, but they work very well. When Maytag introduced their first machine for commercial use they actually took away the glass so customers would not see in and bitch. Its only when you look that you think there is a problem - what you don't see does not hurt you. As long as the clothing comes out clean, which it does, there is no need to see the magic that is going on.

Sorry but the above might have been true when washing down at the stream with rocks and wash boards, but in today's high tech machines that has changed. That is part of the reason the newer machines take longer to wash, but they get clothing just as clean if not cleaner if used correctly. BTW high speed extract front load machines were not created until recently because DC- Inverter drives did not exist until about 10-15 years ago. Oh, and front load washers existed mostly in Europe as you could justify the higher cost for the machines due to higher energy and water costs. I remember as a kid my parents had a Philco unit that worked as both a front load washer and gas dryer. You ran it as a washer and then once done operated it as a gas dryer.

Well I'll add my 2 cents. I owned a laundromat for a dozen years, so I actually know a little about washers and dryers. First the issue of low water use and not cleaning is a false flag. Yes clothing needs to get wet, but just barely. It is the physical rubbing that cleans the clothing. Also the soap mostly acts to prevent the dirt from redepositing on the clothing. Less soap and less water clean better than more soap and more water. Too much water and / or too much soap reduces the physical contact and gives a lesser quality wash. That said, the non-industrial front load washers do take longer to clean than old school top load washers, but. The but is that these machines spin out so much water that the time in the dryer is much much shorter than you typically had with top load machines. The bottom line is that the time it takes to wash and dry in total is about the same as it was 30 years ago, but the time is now mostly spent in the washer while it used to be spent in the dryer. About four years ago I opted to replace my 25 year old Maytag top load washer and Sears front load electric dryer. I swore 20 years ago I would replace the dryer as soon as it broke, but the darn thing would never break. But gas is so much cheaper to dry with. I went with a pair of fairly high end LG units. They have worked perfectly and do a great job. I would highly suggest anyone to buy only from PC Richard. While most don't know it, they are a family owned private business. The significant part of this is you can negotiate price with them. I buy all my big ticket appliance type stuff there. I go in with a real low ball internet price that they will tell you that they won't meet. But stand strong and be prepared to walk out. If you are good at negotiating you will get the best possible price there.

Done again, thanks for posting.

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Good alarm system is first. Second is a pair of Siberian Huskies [next upgrade might be Siberian Tigers ] From there we go to a Glock G22 with mounted light/laser loaded to 15+1 with critical defense .40 cal in one location and a nice .45acp 1911 in another. Also keep a fire extinguisher and can of bee spray by the bed. As a worst case backup just in case have a phone that should reach 911