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I decided to sell it elsewhere, please delete this thread. Thanks.

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I assume "self defense" is not a lawful use in NJ either lol...

I don't think they should have been putting on patches, but when did constitutionalists become terrorists? Last time I checked oathkeepers / 3% refers to people who will not follow unconstitutional orders (keeping thier oaths to the constitution and the people) and if the government becomes tyrannical will fight to protect the constitution( like the 3% in the revolution). I think the author of that article is a bit skewed, but thats par for the course in NJ media I suppose.

I agree that a small fast carbine with a light is probably better than a shotgun, but if I had to use a shotgun it would be an 870 for the unbeatable reliability, or an fn slp or maybe a saiga 12 as double taps with 00buck is tuff to beat. Of those 3, the 870 is the cheapest option by far, the easiest to learn to use etc. and there is an endless supply of aftermarket parts for the 870 so you can customize it to your liking with ease.

Most of you guys already know all this, but I knew a few guys who didn't and figured maybe you have a few gun owner friends who also were unaware of the onerous implications of the "common sense -sounding" Univ background check. link to video Apparently the NRA obtained an internal memo basically confirming that they want to confiscate guns, heres a few links or you can google "nra has memo asking for gun confiscation". If you have any friends who arent up to speed on this or are otherwise currently uninvolved in our uphill fight for freedom, maybe these tidbits will help. link to articles

Was there with a few friends, and the biggest, tallest, most in your face anti-gun control sign I could make in 2 hours. I didn't find out about this til like 9pm on thursday so it was hard to get many people to come. I got some pictures and video and will post later. There was probably 80 or so of us and maybe 10-15 of them. They were largely composed of old women and a few feeble looking dudes, all with crappy signs about "stop gun violence" and "support universal background checks" obviously an unmotivated and uninformed bunch. Friday was a crushing victory for us so far as a counter protest is concerned. The anti gun citizenry in this state are far less motivated than we are, and far fewer of them seem to turn out for this stuff, so moving forward we should be encouraged by Friday's success and continue to foil all of thier protests. Outside of trenton the anti gun movement in NJ seems to be weak willed, uninformed, cowardly and disorganized. They will blog about it, but they don't show up, so take heart, we're not beaten yet but there is a long uphill road ahead of us. Pack a lunch.

I think its a great idea, have you mentioned this to the NJ2AS guys?

Emailed them, I'll call and fax tomorrow.

Well, I hope that his having once been a Marine etc means he is a gun owner and advocate now and that he is going to represent our interests despite his refusal to answer the question. I would love to be wrong about this panel, but my expectations are pretty low.

Hopefully Christie has it in is head to run for president in 2016 and wont sign any more anti gun nonsense as it wouldn't help him in the long run. I am hoping we can get thru this current storm of nonsense still clinging to our pinned stocks and 15 round mags, after that maybe we can start working on bringing some of that common sense Christie mention back to our gun laws.

Thanks, like I said I'm not trying to bust balls. I'm going to contact NJ2AS and see what I can do.

The point I was making is that NJ has the second or 3rd worst gun laws in the country, I am not talking about the rest of the country, just the sad state of affairs we find ourselves in NJ. Yes that was how it was in camden, I was there, but my point is that there should have been 500-1000 pro gun people not 100. I wasnt there, and I don't condone or encourage heckling, I just dont think it matters, the media does what it wants There should have been people standing outside, filling 1 room is not good enough in my opinion, and I'm not attacking this forum or other groups, simply stating that we need to do better. I knew vaguely of NJ2AS but thier forum link leads here, so I didn't realize there was a seperate element to them to join, so I'll look into that. I had never heard of ANJRPC and at first glance they come off like a coalition of shooting clubs as opposed to individuals. I'm not asking anyone else to do things for me, merely commenting on a lack of unified resistance/ a state wide group to join and if I couldn't find it new shooters certainly won't. I am web savvy so I may just start something up, I'm going to see what all NJ2AS has going on as creating multiple pro-gun groups/ networks instead of a single giant one is in my opinion counter productive. I'll be there in Trenton. I will That is in part my point, I am going to see if I can find out what other states are doing in regards to motivating and mobilizing themselves and see if we can start doing that here, I suggest anyone else with the time and inclination do the same. I didn't buy anything from them it was a transfer on a rifle that i had ordered in april which had been delayed, at the time, that shop was the only one near me that I could find to do transfers. I havent and will never buy from them. Consider me joined

I'd love to see some of that kind of moxy in NJ.

Thanks =)

The way I see it, we have been a silent minority in this state for a long time, too long. Look where our well mannered opposition has gotten us, knee deep in bs laws written for us by people who know nothing about guns, don't give a shit about our constitutional rights and generally do not represent our interests. I think it is time that we become a unified vocal minority in this state as opposed to a silent one. I don't think heckling people is really necessary, but honestly do you think anyone who was on the fence as to our gun rights is going to make up their mind because some lady got heckled? We have no state wide group/ organization (at least none that I could find) by which to organize ourselves in a way in which to muster more than a hundred people to go to these meetings. I would say maybe a handful from this forum will be at each meeting, but honestly that is not going to cut it, there should have been hundreds of pro gun people at each of these meetings. In MD thousands showed up to protest new gun laws, we need that kind of turnout. There is a rally tomorrow in Trenton, I hope to see thousands of the million or so NJ gun owners there, but honestly I wont be shocked if there are only a couple hundred. In other states pro gun officials have submitted bills to stop any new anti-gun legislation, those bills will probably not get passed, but they at least are resisting, we don't even have that, and that is a problem. The other day I was picking up a lower a shop in south Jersey and I asked one of the old timers behind the counter if he was going up to trenton on the 8th, and he told me that he didn't want to make any waves, or start any trouble and he thought it was a bad idea. That mindset is what got us here, that sort of tired complacency. I'm not trying to bust balls or whatever, but I think its time we stopped sitting on our hands and started fighting back. This forum and these meetings is a start, but we are way beyond the curve, and the time for not making waves is past. /end rant

The Blue NJ article is pretty much BS. There were 2 people that were pro gun control out of the 100 or so people, 6-1 is a complete fabrication. I also didn't hear much in the way of regurgitated NRA talking points, more common sense and facts and personal experience than NRA talking points. Thats why I said to tape yourselves and put it on youtube otherwise the only story people who weren't there get is that sort of liberal tripe.

I was the guy that asked them if any of them owned or had ever fired a gun to which they refused to respond. After watching them sit there sort of blankly staring, not taking notes, and rarely seeming interested unless they were being yelled at or made to look foolish, I would say that they do not really seem interested at all in what we have to say, but need to at least look like they made an effort. I only saw 2 pro gun control people and neither were very convincing or memorable in my opinion; everyone else was anti gun control. I offered up some bullet points as to the failures of gun control and a few suggestions like 100% prosecution of gun crime and mandatory maximum sentences for persons commmiting a crime with a gun, but I honestly don't think that they could care less as to my suggestions. My overall take on this meeting was that the task force has no clue what theyre doing, doesnt really want to hear about what we think, and is pretty much going to do whatever they want, however it was encouraging to see literally 90% of speakers were against any more gun control. I think if there had been 3-500 pro gun speakers instead of maybe 95 this meeting would have gone a lot further toward sending a message to Christie. I really feel like we need to have a much higher turn out for the next 2 meetings if we're going to avoid any more gun control laws. On to what to do for the next ones. You get 3 minutes to talk, you sign a form when you get there and are taken in order to speak for your 3 minutes. That being said I would strongly suggest the follwoing -get as many people as you can muster to go to the next 2 talks -Seriously get all of them, I was expecting several hundred people and there was maybe 100, get off your butt and get to those meetings -get there early! -organize into groups ahead of time either by this forum or whatever means you can -sign your names in a row -each person in your group select an aspect of gun control ahead of time, like the one guy with his transportation of firearms stuff, or me with the fact that no one on the board thats going to offer recommendations on guns, owns or has ever fired a gun.-- Break it down into segments of a larger argument, and then each go one after the other. -be passionate and nearly agressive, dont be a milk toast forgettable speaker, but don't be Yeager either -practice ahead of time to make sure you can make your point in 3 minutes -Don't dress like the stereotypical gun owner with your camo and cowboy hat -Record it with your phone or whatever and put it on youtube, otherwise your commentary will never leave that room unfiltered by the media. This is the video of me at the meeting, my buddy took it with my phone and had his thumb on the mic so the sound is all messed up, but if it helps you get an idea for what the meetings will be like, then cool. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD1I2e-myVo&feature=youtu.be Good luck guys.