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I'm thinking about the situations where you can't control things. The perfect shot while you're in a shadow and the brightly lit sky is behind the subject, or a shot taken inside with brightly lit windows behind. Maybe there is no point and shoot solution to shots like this without bringing a photo studio with you.

How do you handle shooting a subject that is back lit?

13:54-1.2 Definitions "Firearm or firearms" means any handgun, rifle, shotgun, machine gun, assault firearm, automatic or semi-automatic rifle, or any gun, device or instrument in the nature of a weapon from which may be fired or ejected any solid projectile,ball, slug, pellet, missile or bullet, or any gas, vapor or other noxious thing, by means of a cartridge or shell or by the action of an explosive or the igniting of flammable or explosive substances. It shall also include, without limitation, any firearm which is in the nature of an air gun, spring gun or pistol or other weapon of a similar nature in which the propelling force is a spring, elastic band, carbon dioxide, compressed or other gas, or vapor, air or compressed air, or is ignited by compressed air, and ejecting a bullet or missile smaller than three-eighths of an inch in diameter, with sufficient force to injure a person.

Thanks for jumping in. Post was one of the clearest I've read.

There's been talk here several times along the lines of "If we can just mobilize the hunters." Others refer to NJ's hunters as Fudds (as in Elmer Fudd) who are complacent in gun control as long as they get to keep their shotguns. Well, if you want to see what NJ's hunters really think, there's a discussion going on now that has me discouraged. http://www.newjerseyhunter.com/forums/91-hunter-angler-lounge-bar/300009-ar-s-time-go.html

I had .22 rounds in my pocket lots of times at school. I spent a lot of time shooting back behind the barn and filled my jacket pockets with bullets before I would go out. If I didn't shoot everything I had with me, it stayed in my jacket pockets. If my teachers or the administration had found them, they would have asked me what kind of gun I was shooting and that would have been the end of it. It was just such a non-issue down here in rural NJ. Oh, we carried pocket knives every day too. Nobody ever got shot or stabbed.

Think about what a house costs. What does $100K get you. Now build the house with materials that will hold up to commercial foot traffic, add a parking lot, specialty equipment for the ranges, make it big enough to use, filtered ventilation, storm water management, and lots and lots of other stuff. I would think you would be starting in the $3 - $5 Million ballpark.

For a bullet? Silly.

I like to show up early on a week day when I have the whole place to myself. I'll typically shoot clays for 45 minutes or an hour. If it's handguns half an hour does it. Rifles - an hour or a little more. I'm in and out. I often shoot clays for half an our or so all by myself before work. I'll go though one box of shells and pack up. If I'm taking a friend shooting, especially a new shooter, I'll stay as long as they want to stay but I always try to figure out when they're feeling like it's been long enough so they don't feel trapped at the range.

In Piscatowski, Filko, Drake, or whatever that case ended up being called, NJ told the court that it is a shall issue state because it approves more than 90% of applications. Of course, that's because nobody ever applies. I'm concerned that a similar argument might be made this time too. Whatever judges hear this case will be looking for any wiggle room to igmore the constitution. That may be the wiggle room. But, this is ANJPRC's case and their attorney's should know if a mass application is needed. If ANJPRC says it's time to apply en masse, I'm in.

Kept my 11 year old son home from school and took him to the show yesterday. I was suprised how big the crowds were in the afternoon on a work day. Good show, same stuff I saw 2 years ago so it wasn't as exciting as I had hoped. Crowds in the afternoon kept us from getting a good view of some tables. If you're shopping for anything gun or hunting related, you'll find it here. We left the show mid afternoon and had an early dinner at the Shady Maple.

I spent 20+ years in the trades. I've supervised a lot of tradesmen including a lot of plumbers. I didn't trust sharkbite fittings when they first came out. I didn't believe they could be as secure as a glued fitting. We still very, very rarely use one. We work in commercial buildings and use a lot of copper, some pex, and a little bit of PVC and CPVC. We use pro-press fittings (crimp on) whenever we can't get water to shut off completely and still have a trickle. But that equipment costs thousands of dollars. Lots of professional plumbers now trust shark bite fittings. I've never seen one fail. I now believe they are as good as a glued joint. But...I still can't bring myself to walk away from an o-ring and flimsy strip of metal without worrying when it will fail. As I said, I've never seen one fail. They have proven themselves to be dependable. The problem is admittedly me, not the fittings but I won't use one.

I agree with Scorpio above. I've shot a lot of steel with a lot of guns. I have never tried a .308 at 600 yds but...fuel tanks are pretty thin steel, certainly not hardened. I would give it a 70% chance of penetrating.

I hate this but our only chance is Sweeney. He used to be pro gun and pro sportsman. I hope his big change to anti-gun was only because he knew Christie would veto his anti-gun bills. He spends a bit of time courting the NJOA so he must see sportsman's votes as being important. Hopefully he will be afraid of consequences if he actually hurts that group of his voters. His district includes a lot of rural areas and a lot of hunters. Maybe this would get the Fudds energized enough to at least vote for the 2A.

I don't want to derail this and I don't mean any disrespect to anyone but... Whenever I hear someone celebrate that it only took X days to get pistol permits my blood boils. We're so used to NJ's illegal infringements on gun ownership that we think it's good when we have to pay a fee, submit to a background check, fill out forms, and wait only 3 weeks for the government to issue a one time only permit, valid for only 90 days, to exercise a constitutionally enumerated civil right.

Sweeney used to be the friend of sportsmen and gun owners. Then he combined 21 anti-gun bills into the "Sweeney Omnibus Gun Control Bill" which passed the assembly and senate. I don't consider him reasonable.

We saved when we switched to Geico. We just moved our daughter to her own policy with Progressive and her insurance went down. Switching every few years is the strategy that saves money.

I think you save money by just switching, no matter which company you switch too. We've switched a few times and always ended up paying less.

Even regular citizens need to qualify shoot every 6 months, just like the police to get a carry permit. NJ issues about 400 carry permits each year. They're good for 2 years so there are about 800 of these permits out there. My assumption is that the vast majority are going to armed security guards. The process for getting an armed security carry permit is the same but the "justifiable need" is not part of the requirements. But, if you get a carry permit as a security guard, it will say on the permit that it's only valid during working hours. You still can't carry outside of work.

The definition comes from a judge's ruling in the 1971 court case Siccardi v. State. The courts were using this as their standard after that case and It was finally incorporated into the NJAC in 1991.

The statute, passed by the legislature does not define justifiable need. The definition is found in NJ's Administrative Code where it is referred to as "a written certification of need". NJAC 13:54-2.4(d) “in the case of a private citizen shall specify in detail the urgent necessity for self-protection, as evidenced by specific threats or previous attacks which demonstrate a special danger to the applicant’s life that cannot be avoided by means other than by issuance of a permit to carry a handgun,”

Absolutely. If the manufacturer ships a gun with a 30 round mag, that makes it a standard magazine. I think we should start calling 15 round magazines "infringed capacity magazines".

And the "assault weapon's" ban isn't in the actual statute. NJ legislature passed the assault weapons ban. The ban said here is a list of guns that are illegal and any gun that is "substantially identical" to one on this list is also illegal. Some guy sued and said that there is no such thing as "substantially identical". The judge agreed and told NJ's AG to come up with what "substantially identical means". NJ's AG apparently lost his mind and wrote a list of rules that had absolutely nothing to do with the guns on the banned list. He came up with the "5 evil features" list as the test to see if a gun is "substantially identical" and therefore illegal. The judge approved the absurd definition and it became the law.

Read Through NJ NJSA 2C:39-5 and 2C:39-6. That covers most of NJ's gun laws and it's not a bad read. The section that tells you how you can transport is below. Remember that NJ's laws are in two parts. The first says that you can't possess or transport a firearm. The second section lists a few exceptions to the first part. The exceptions are commonly called "the exemptions". NJSA 2C:39-6 (g) "All weapons being transported under paragraph (2) of subsection b., subsection e., or paragraph (1) or (3) of subsection f. of this section shall be carried unloaded and contained in a closed and fastened case, gunbox, securely tied package, or locked in the trunk of the automobile in which it is being transported, and in the course of travel shall include only such deviations as are reasonably necessary under the circumstances.”

An overview for NJ: (1) There is no such thing as a carry permit in NJ. In fact, we like to put people in jail from other states who think their carry permits are recognized here. The law says something about carry permits but they don't actually exist in the wild. Nobody gets approved unless you're connected. http://www.nj2as.org/elitism_exposed (2) Purchase of a long gun (shotguns or rifles) can only be done after you have a Firearms Purchaser's ID Card (FID). A card is good forever once you get one (unless you change your address). You get the application from your local PD and they take anywhere from 1-5 months to approve the application even though the law says they get 30 days to do so. You also need an FID to purchase handgun ammunition in NJ. Buy your handgun ammo in PA or DE. Oh, and don't buy hollow point ammo. It's legal to own but there are restrictions on when you can transport. If you accidentally drop a round in your trunk and then go to church, you could end up in prison. Welcome to NJ. (3) Purchase of handguns requires a new permit each time. The application for a "Permit to Purchase a Handgun" (P2P) is the same application as the application for the FID. Same process, same wait. One permit gets you one gun. You can apply for as many as you want but they're only good for 90 days and you can only buy one handgun every 30 days. Many PD's call you to pick up permits a few days after the permits are approved so you don't really get 90 days to use them. You can apply for one extension of an additional 90 days but it's up to the local PD whether they approve extensions or not. Some do, some don't. (4) lots of guns are illegal here. NJ calls them "assault weapons". There's a list of about 60 guns (assault weapons) that are banned by name. There are banned handguns and shotguns but the ones that cause the most problem are usually the banned rifles . For example, you can't own an AR15 in NJ. But since all of the AR15 clones are called something else, they're okay. It's only illegal if it's stamped "AR15". Then there is the "evil features" list. You can only have a semi-auto rifle with a detachable magazine if it has only 1 "evil feature". The evil features are pistol grip, flash hider, bayonet mount, adjustable stock, and grenade launcher. If you have two of these evil features, it's illegal. So, we own AR15's that are made by other companies (so they aren't stamped AR15), we put muzzle brakes on them instead of flash hiders (which must be welded in place so we don't ever remove them), we grind off the bayonet mount lugs, and we drill and pin the stock so it can't adjust anymore. This must all be done by the gun shop before you are allowed to touch the gun. It's just good common sense. http://themaintenanceguy.com/gfimages/definition-nj-assault-weapons.pdf (5) An FID card lets you transport long guns as long as they are cased and unloaded or in the trunk. You can never transport a handgun unless you are traveling between (a) your home, (b) a shooting range, (c) your fixed place of business that you own, (d) a gun shop that is going to do work on your gun, (e) a new residence - while moving. Even then you must transport unloaded, cased, or locked in the trunk. Want to take your handgun back to your parent's farm to shoot tin cans - felony. (6) Registration of firearms is voluntary in NJ. If you purchase a handgun using a permit, that permit gets sent back to the State, so consider that registered, but you do not have to register anything else. There is a form to register your guns. Some PD's have told people that it's required when you move here. It's not. Don't do it.