JohnnyB

It helps us by informing us that NJ has sucked for a very long time! It further informs us that there is VERY little hope for change from within the PRNJ. The only hope is a Federal ruling that will negate NJ state law regarding our 2A rights!!! But, and this is a Big but.....That does not mean we should EVER stop trying to change things here!!!!!!!!!!

Only one! "people don't kill people, GUNS KILL PEOPLE" Thank you! I read through the thread quickly and subsequently missed the point. In that scenario, they would indeed be useful!

I understand the possible up side to these tags and stickers but if I saw that luggage tag, I would sure as hell think the owner had something to hide. Forget places like airports and if a LEO sees this tag on a bag in your trunk, he is already looking in your trunk which means you gave consent, he has probable cause or a warrant anyway.

The major cities are like a benign tumor of crime which can be dealt with by avoiding them. HUD, by spreading the cancerous cells to neighboring communities is creating a malignancy which can't be avoided. It's really a great feeling when you work your butt off to live in a nice peaceful neighborhood and HUD places a crack dealer next door to you!

Note there is only discretion in sentencing! They would still be convicted felons for life and may never again legally own a gun as well as the many other problems that title brings. As far as Ms Allen goes, Christy has as much as said he will intervene if need be but is waiting to see what the courts do first.

A friend of mine "Really! Not me as you may think, since I would have refused!" drove to PA today to help a friend move his father to a nursing home. He moved the contents of his home to storage and rented a pod to move his father's large gun collection to California. During the process of the move, he gave a handgun and a rifle to my buddy, who is an NJ resident! My friend made it home with the two guns stating "there was no way, given the situation, to do a proper transfer with a COE (He has a Purchase permit in NJ) and in the case of the handgun, an FFL transfer. I told him that personally, I would not have taken the chance of being stopped but the lucky bastard made it home with the two free guns, both new in the box and never fired. I said you are probably OK now but you took a hell of a chance getting them home! Was I correct or does he have more to worry about?

Paul would be correct in this scenario. IMHO!

+1000

I still say with all this negative publicity, she walks away on a technicality!!! The PRNJ can't afford to be exposed for what they truly are in this political climate!!! Mark my words!!!

If that happens, and I hope for her sake it does, what about the next victim they catch??? does Christy pardon all of them? Now as I channel Nostradamus, here are my predictions. With all the MSM and public opinion pressure on this case, Behind the scene pressure will be put on the prosecutor to drop the case on a made up technicality. The charges will be dropped, her record cleared. We WILL get CC sooner that any of us ever thought!!!!

Looks like the originals are going for $750 to $1,200 depending on condition. There are new full auto BB guns made by different manufacturers for much less. Since PRNJ considers a BB rifle a rifle, I would not want to be the test case getting caught here with one!!!

I don't see why, based on the recent Federal Court rulings, why a jury in the PRNJ could not nullify due to the very fact that NJ's law is unconstitutional. The Federal Courts have found that self defense outside of the home is at the very heart of the 2nd Amendment. If the jurors deliberate and find her guilty of violating the laws of PRNJ, but at the same time, based on recent Federal Court decisions, also feel that the laws of NJ in this case are unconstitutional. They could nullify and find her not guilty! Why not in NJ??? The Constitution applies here as it does in every state! The only problem I see is that they most likely won't even know what jury nullification is, let alone knowing it is one of their options. I would love to see this case appealed all the way to SCOTUS. Perhaps with all the media attention this is getting, who knows, this could be the case that sets us free!!!

Now up by 60+. 53% vs 47%.

She appeared in court today. Here is the report. Like I stated above, they are looking to make an example here! "A New Jersey judge denied a motion to dismiss charges Tuesday against a Philadelphia mother who mistakenly entered New Jersey, where she was stopped for a traffic violation and found in possession of a handgun loaded with hollow-point bullets. Shaneen Allen, 27, who is legally permitted to carry a concealed firearm in Pennsylvania, was pulled over in New Jersey's Atlantic County after making an unsafe lane change in the early morning hours of Oct. 1. She told the officer she had a .380 Berse Thunder handgun during the traffic stop. Superior Court Judge Michael Donio also denied a motion to overturn a decision not to allow Allen to participate in a pretrial intervention program to avoid jail time. Allen rejected a prosecutor's offer to serve 3 1/2 years in prison, her attorney, Evan Nappen, told FoxNews.com. "That's exactly what should be the solution here," Nappen said, referring to the intervention program. "So we're looking forward to that jury trial." A trial date has been set for Oct. 6, said Nappen, who feels his client may find more leniency from jurors. "I sure do, it's an incredibly sympathetic case that shouldn't have to go to trial," he said. "But I'm confident that 12 ordinary people who understand the injustice here and will correct it." Allen, who has no prior criminal record, told FoxNews.com last month that she's very concerned about the future of her young children, Niaire, 10, and Sincere, 3. "I'm very much worried because I have two kids who depend on me," Allen said. "And I'm doing this all by myself." Allen said she acquired the gun legally just a week prior to her arrest. She was headed to Atlantic City, N.J., in the early-morning hours to prepare for her son’s birthday party, which was being held three days later. Allen purchased the gun for protection after being robbed twice in the past year, she said, adding that she never even fired it and feels somewhat snake-bitten by the entire ordeal. “It’s definitely a freak thing,” she said. “I was trying to do a good thing and it turned out so bad — and just like that. I don’t know how to explain it, I really don’t.” According to Nappen, potential jurors could invoke jury nullification, a constitutional doctrine allowing juries to acquit defendants who are technically guilty, but don't deserve to be punished. It can apply in all states, but attorneys are generally not permitted to introduce the concept to jurors".

Now That"s Funny!!! I watched a ton of those! :haha:

She started the snowball rolling down the hill by bringing a loaded weapon into the PRNJ. The LEO sped it up by arresting her instead of having her secure the weapon and immediately return to PA with a stern warning. The press got wind of this story and published it everywhere. Now everyone is watching this case. The Prosecutor grants PTI and a fine but no jail time and the message goes out to the world that NJ does not really enforce their gun laws. The Prosecutor thinks more people from PA will decide to bring weapons into NJ because they feel they probably won't do jail time if caught. The Prosecutor is going to make an example of her and throw the book at her. The Press will report it all over the place. The chance of anyone making the same mistake she made is greatly diminished. The poor lady and her family will suffer so that the PRNJ can make a point!!!! I only hope her story gets National attention so that all may know what we here on this board know all too well.......NJ's GUN LAWS SUCK!!!!!

Correct me if I'm wrong but NJ code probably says that self defense alone is not enough of a reason to get a CC permit. If so, this is where we can get them since these recent rulings state that self defense outside the home is the core of the Second Amendment and to prevent lawful citizens from such protection is unconstitutional!

In the ruling it states, "Ninth Circuit in Peruta concluded that "the carrying of an operable handgun outside the home for the lawful purpose of self-defense, though subject to traditional restrictions, constitutes 'bear[ing] Arms' within the meaning of the Second Amendment." PRNJ does not consider Self Defense a valid reason for permit issue yet the Federal Courts have concluded self defense outside the home is a Constitutional right! How can NJ defy that ruling? Why do we have to wait for a Supreme Court ruling when the Circuit Courts can give us our rights back??

Anyone have any thoughts as to this ruling helping our cause here in the PRNJ??? The way I see it, D.C. had a total ban on any carry outside the home whereas NJ says "we allow concealed carry, just meet our nearly impossible standards to qualify for a permit". NJ is a no carry state masquerading as a may issue state! Quote the ruling: In their complaint, Plaintiffs assert two claims for relief. In their first claim, Plaintiffs allege that, "y requiring a permit to carry a handgun in public, yet refusing to issue such permits and refusing to allow the possession of any handgun that would be carried in public, Defendants maintain a complete ban on the carrying of handguns in public by almost all individuals." NJ requires a permit to carry, yet refuses to issue such permits in 99.9% of cases.

I live in Gloucester County so USANA might be a good home for me. Can anyone tell me if it's still open? I heard it was for sale a while back and that Skip had some trouble with his neighbors at some point. Any info on this club would be greatly appreciated. I bought a new AR months ago and still have not put one down the barrel. Thanks, John

You can only pin your own mags outside of the state. The pin may also not be able to be removed which is why it is better to have a gunsmith do it and keep your receipt!!!

Just don't get pulled over on the way back home! You can't use 30 round mags at the range in case you get caught! You could keep them at home but if for any reason you are ever caught with them you will be an instant Felon. Is it really worth it???

I have all faith that Shawn has an insider and that it is in fact VETOED!!!! Thank you Shawn for the heads up! We have a 1 year reprieve here, not a victory by any means......Once CC is out of office, we will be defending ourselves with Airsoft smart guns with a 5 round plastic ball limit and a Dick Tracey watch which you must be wearing in order to fire the gun!!!! I almost forgot, NO hollow point plastic balls will be permitted! F@%c^King PRNJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/06/09/man-accidentally-shoots-7-year-old-boy-being-attacked-by-dog/?intcmp=latestnews See the above link. I would get the bat out first!!!

Thank you all for the explanation. I do understand now. What might an exception be for more than one in a month? A matched set perhaps?