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I overheard a guy at the range today telling someone what guns he had with him, and one of them being a GP100, went over to ask him how he liked it. He's had it about 8 months now and loves it. So, a few minutes after I went back to my port, he came over and invited me to shoot it a bit. Definately a good choice, and I can tell you that if all the triggers break in like that ... oh baby.

So how do you keep track of a particular component going on sale?

So I went looking at the PSA site Vlad recommended for trigger/lower and I see that the whole kit is about $30 more than the trigger alone! And, that's only if you go with the more expensive kit. Uh oh, I feel myself getting suked intop a build.

Okay then in that scenario, I would indeed like a bench gun that can put holes in holes, and a comfortable stock that isn't too short is something I have thought about. Also, I have a thing about triggers, smooth, easy, clean triggers. Plus, I wouldn't mind if the recoil was kept low. And, I have a Zeiss 3-9X40 scope that's going on top. I think an 18" barrel. Budget is around $1000 for now.

When I 'built' my semi-custom motorcycle starting back in 1999, I took the approach of buying a Ultra Motorcycle Company (think Bigdog type) complete bike that had a lot of nice touches that I could ride right then, and more or less rubuilding it over the next decade or so using new desired parts at any given time. At present, the only remaining original items are the frame and the lower half of the motor. I had a great time picking parts and doing winter projects by hand and now have a bike that suits me exactly to a tee and I learned a lot about motors, wiring, metal-work etc.. In fact, I miss screwing around with it the last three years, but there's nothing I want to change. I have been thinking of building an AR and have read back through several builds on the forum, but while that approach definately appeals to me, I wonder about buying an AR either complete or complete lower and seperate complete upper and taking the same approach to rebuilding it over time as I find what I personally like in the way of seperate items. Heck the worst thing that could happen is that I eventually end up with one gun that is exactly what I want and a second one made of the original parts LOL. So what do you think and if I take that approach, give me some favorites on the starting upper and lower for what will be range/plinking scoped gun shot mainly at 100 (more if I can find a place to do so down the road). I'd appreciate the reasons behind any recommendations too.

Only positive experiences at EFGA for me too, but I am an old fart. Every time I go there I end up meeting guys like Igor, Og and Patrick the black powder guy. It's always fun and friendly. ROs have been fine especially if you engage them a bit and show a little personality.

I found a gun shop with the S&W 686, the Ruger GP100 (and the SP as well), and the Taurus all in stock and in 4" as well as others, and they let me fondle all four as much as desired. The Taurus had by far the nicest trigger and cheapest price and it felt nice and solid. It was made in Brazil. The S&W was a fine gun, also very solid and comfortable. It was the most expensive and had a rather stiff DA trigger pull. SA was not bad. Very nice too. The Ruger was as they say, a tank. The trigger was also a bit of a tank in DA but nicer than the S&W in SA. It felt better in my hand than the other two but I think that would vary with the hand in question. It was not as cheap as the Taurus, but quite a bit cheaper than the S&W. All had adjustable rear sights but the S&W and Taurus had Hi viz style front sights. It is available for the Ruger. I bought the Ruger, made in the USA and super highly reviewed. Hope this helps

As stated earlier, my wife and I were there when it happened although we had just finished up and were in the sales area of the store getting our drivers licenses back. We went again this Monday and had a chance to talk to one of the ROs who was in the shooting range area when it actually occurred, and he said the guy was acting kind of weird before hand. Pacing around, in and out of the port, nervous and jerky. They had a meeting of the ROs and they are getting training in assessing the behavior of the shooters and profiling them. No word on what that means and it would probably be hard to define how weird relates to suicidal/homicidal. It's interesting to note that the lanes are being videoed at all times and the incident is on file. We agreed that the owner of the range must be connected for there to be so little being made of this in the local news. Hopefully that will help curtail the copycats and outright loonies by keeping the idea from spreading. To me, the oddest thing is that the guy bought a box of 50 shells and shot 49 of them downrange. Anyhow, there is no talk of changing the rental policies at present.

I live in Washington, the one next to you (there are seven Washingtons in NJ) and there are no bow target regs.

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Hey Smokin 50, we're just talking here right? It sounds to me like two grown-ups who agree that it's okay to disagree. And Holeshot you're right. That was us. You were the guy in the Caddie who talked to Janice right? Poor girl was very shook up. We stopped to make sure she was okay.

The reason they wouldn't sell you the 22s is that they, like everyone else, only have a limited supply right now and try to make sure they have ammo for the people at the range. When I first went there it wasn't just 22s either and IMO that's just good business. As for the rest, some of us weren't lucky enough to grow up with contacts in the shooters world like you and Heritage provides a friendly professional environment for starting out.

My wife and I had just finished shooting and were still in the store drooling over the choices for my next gun when the RO came out and told the people at the checkout counter to call 911. Very weird because when they had their previous incident, I had just cancelled out of going there and would've been there when it happened that time too. We had just finished commenting that there were a lot of range officers there today. Five when we walked out of the range area and only about 5 or 6 shooters at that time counting us. Nothing is foolproof because they were really watching today. I overheard several instances where they had to correct people for not following range rules. I have to agree that if stuff like this has to happen, better a suicide than a homicide and not just because we were there either. Meanwhile, I can tell you for sure that you can go and just rent even as a newbie because I tried at least seven different rental guns there before I bought my first pistol.

Glad to help out. We are up to about 1500-2000 rounds through them without a single problem.

I will be at EFGA today aat around 1:30 with Glen (also on the forum) unless it is raining. Wearing a maroonish Gregg Allman and Friends tee-shirt. We'll be at the rifle or the pistol first (plan on using both) and I'll have the scope there. My name is Joe.

Mags for the Buckmark are not cheap__in the $30 range. That should not be the deciding factor though, in a week/month you won't even remember it. Also, if the longer barrels don't turn you off, they contribute to the ease of accuracy on longer barrel models like many of the dedicated 22s.

Dedicated 22 all the way. The Buckmark and the Mark III will cycle any ammo which is not generally true of conversion 22s, such as my wifes' Sig which doesn't like Federal at all. Then use the conversion idea for a 9 if made for what you have in your others. Same money with better reliability and flexibility.

Don't cut off your nose because of him. A good range is worth overlooking a couple of butt heads. And, besides he won't care if you don't join. Might even tweak him a bit if he sees that you did. I've met some really good people shooting, and I've only been into it for 7 months .

My folks wouldn't let me have a real firearm but I talked them into a Daisey BB rifle back in the 1950s. I built numerous WWII era model warships and we would take them out into the yard and give them some really cool battle damage with the gun. The topper was to take a 2" firecracker and light it in the smokestack of a ship that hadn't been shot up yet then try to time the shot so it hit just about when the cracker went off. Man, that was fun! Too bad there were no cell phone cameras back then, or maybe it's a good thing because the reality probably wouldn't live up to my memories of it.

Sorry for the lack of a range report on the scope. We had a chance to use it at 100 yards at EFGA and it was flawless. The stand is kind of flimsy and doesn't lock unless you give it a really good crank, but that's my only quibble and I plan on using it on an old camera stand most of the time. It's functional enough though. As for the scope itself, it was clear, bright and easy to focus. The holes were easily seen. Off angle viewing was adequate and as good as most and the eye to objective distance is fine. The case is a cheapy but sufficient. Not protective so if you were going to bang it around you'd want to wrap it first. I have no idea how the camera adapter hooks up and the directions rot as is typical of foreign paperwork. Overall, good scope and for the money I'd buy it again. The extras are about what you'd expect.

I waited about 3 months for the 9mm kit, but when it finally came in, about 3 or 4 places got it at once. Best bet is to do a search on them and put your name on several lists where they will notify you as soon as they arrive.

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The new areas at Heritage are up and running and worth seeing. Archery section is very nice and the longer rifle/ handgun areas is looking good too. The tactical range could be a lot of fun and provide different training than was offered before. They were very nice about giving us a demo of the set up in there even though we had missed the open house. Worth a look for sure.

It is unfortunate that stories such as this are reported before the facts are known. You can bet that this guy is now viewed as a wild eyed, gun-toting, crazy by a significant portion of the people who have seen this story, and will continue to been as such regardless of any exonerationg facts that may come out. And, if it turns out that no gun laws were broken and he is found to be psycologically stable and non-threatening, it will not be displayed anywhere nearly as prominently in the media. Seems like a story such as this could easilly await further clarification before throwing him under the bus if he warrents it.

Try a Victory at one of their open houses. It's like an ultra refined HD and way more comfortable. Rolling Fast in Lebannon, NJ is having an open house this weekend and you get lots of saddle time. Also, if they have the model you like in stock, they will let you take it out for looong demo rides on your own any time. Their number is 908236-9000. You won't regret it.