Mr.Stu

The ORI number tells Indentogo where to send the results of the fingerprinting/BG check. What you're thinking of is the contributor's case number. That is your last name followed by the date of your application. I have been told to use the date I sign and get it notarized. So if Joe Doe signed his app today, his CC# would be Doe062922

The ORI numbers are static - you can look them up on a list here: https://nj.gov/njsp/firearms/ori-list.shtml ETA: Woodbine is NJNSP3500

HQC = Handgun Qualification Course (of fire) There are 2 versions, hence HQC1 & HQC2. HNQC = Handgun Night Qualification Course (of fire) This is the low-light course of fire.

Equally, if you are nervous about being able to pass this, and believe there is a high probability that you will fail, you should seriously consider getting more training and practice before getting strapped and going forth. I have no personal experience other than simunitions training (which really does carry a pain penalty), but it is well known that under high stress your actions will default to your base performance. I do not support government mandated training requirements, but as a community, we should be advocating responsible gun handling and 'policing our own'.

From the instructions I received from NJSP: "Fingerprint results – all applicants must be fingerprinted for initial and renewal applications. Applicants can visit the IdentoGO website to schedule an appointment. When scheduling, the applicant must provide the investigating agencies ORI#, a fingerprint service code (2F164B), and a Contributors Case Number (use the applicants last name, month, day, and year of application. Eg... Joe Doe applied on Jan 8, 2022..... Contributor Case Number, Doe010822.) *Fingerprint results must be received within ninety (90) days of application."

For more realistic training and practice, I suggest using a USPSA/IPSC target and be honest with yourself about hits in the A-zone on the body. Head shots are not in modern TTPs.

The Law of Self Defense by Andrew Branca is a very good book on the legal requirements for a successful self defense claim.

The HQC1, HQC2 & HNQC call for an FBI Q target. It approximates an average sized head & torso. Any shot within the outline counts as a hit. Basically the hit zone is huge! It is not really a good test of combat effectiveness.

If you're still there by the time the cops show up (you don't need to run away, but if you're done with what you're doing carry on with your day), keep your hands visible and don't make furtive movements. When the cops approach and make contact they will most likely ask about the gun. Explain to them that you have a NJ carry permit and where the pistol is located on your body - still keeping your hands visible - and after they ask to see your permit slowly reach into your pocket/whatever and retrieve it. My personal opinion on if they ask to secure your weapon for "officer safety" is to ask them to leave it safely in the holster where the trigger is covered and it is most safe. Guns that are not being handled are least likely to go off by accident.

A key take away here is if you're carrying, don't get into disputes. Be the guy that walks away. Allowing things to escalate runs the risk of things ending catastrophically when they didn't need to. Is a parking spot worth anybody's life?

Hornady Critical Duty for me. That's what I have been carrying in free States for a while. It will be so much easier being able to carry to and from my house, rather than having to pull over once I cross the PA border and before I cross back.

Yes - you can qualify with as many guns as you like, but may have to pay the instructor running the qual more, the more you do.

The worst option apart from leaving it on the toilet cistern when you exit the bathroom. The worst position for weapon retention The worst position if you get knocked on your back or slip and fall (injury) The farthest place to reach for your draw

I have a couple of MTACs. I like them. I also have a Cross Breed LDS2.0 which is almost as good quality-wise, but does accommodate a light. MTACs do not allow for a light. Bear in mind a light is essential for positive target identification. If you don't have a WML you need to carry a flashlight and know how to use it in conjunction with a handgun if you want to maximize your chances of freedom after a shooting. "I shot at the shadow" or "I thought it was him" is not a good legal defense.

Not everyone

I'm a bit hazy, but isn't there precedent for not allowing the government to force a person to choose between one Constitutionally protected right and another? He's trying to say, if you carry, you can't vote or if you vote, you can't carry - choose.

Not unless you eventually buy that specific gun. The serial number is recorded on the qual cert and that is the specific gun you can carry, not just a gun of the same type. The permit does not, but you must have qualified with the gun you carry.

The requirement is that you submit qualification certs for the gun you INTEND to carry when you submit the application. Intention and the eventual act are not necessarily the same thing. If you want to switch guns, you should qualify with it before carry it, but there is no way you can do that before you know that you're switching guns.

He's assuming they will change, but at the moment they have not. I'm applying ASAP to try to get in before they move the goal posts

There is a new SP642 form issued today (6/28/2022). I have been advised by NJSP Washington Station that I should use the new form, even though that means collecting my references' signatures again. The trooper said there is a risk of eventual denial for the wrong form so it would be better to get it right now, rather than have to start again in a month or two. https://nj.gov/njsp/firearms/forms.shtml

They have issued permits to carry a handgun, not many, but some. Those people have done quals. The process is established, but because everybody gets told "don't even bother, you won't get it" most PDs have never had to find out what process is acceptable

What do you wear normally? The gun you can conceal will vary depending on that. If you're a buff gym-rat who wears slim fit shirts, you may want something slim and small that you can carry AIWB (P365 or Hellcat). If you're more like me and carry a bit of a gut, IWB at 3-4 o'clock might be a better choice. If you're carrying a lot of weight, a full size handgun OWB under a baggy shirt may be the ticket. If you sit in a vehicle all day, you may want to look at a shoulder rig under a jacket. The answer to these questions will help you decide what physical size the gun should be. Have you handled an XD? The grip safety is similar in theory, but not the same in practice. The XD trigger is also a million miles from a 1911 trigger. I would not get too attached to a grip safety, especially on a striker fired gun. All the other striker fired polymer guns are perfectly safe without one. Hell, even the other all steel, single action guns are perfectly safe without one. Also, pick a gun you can shoot well. Some guns are just not a good fit for some people. I shoot Glocks pretty well and that's what I carry. However, I don't shoot the large frame Glocks well at all as they are just that bit too big and blocky for my hand, so would never carry a G20, G21, G30, G40, G41, etc.

I'm pretty sure the rules for changing the Administrative Code take a little longer than that. Any changes have to be published in the NJ Register for public review and comment, right?

Speaking for myself - applying now, even if I am denied again, is going to have no detrimental effect on me (except maybe make me a bit more pissed). I already have a denial on my record. Another one won't make any difference. I don't even have to go to much effort. I plan to use the same $50 postal order that I used the first time around (hopefully they don't expire) so I can skip the trip to the post office. BIG TIP: NJSP don't take person checks for this. It has to be a PO. If I get ahead of the rush - great! I don't see me having my day in court for at least a couple of months anyway. The BG checks aren't going to complete overnight. If everyone else wants to wait a see what happens to me, I'm good with that. I won't be stuck in a massive queue. Why the requirement to not look at your holster? That is contrary to every bit of training I have received.

I like you HE and respect all the good advice and experience you have shared over the years here. However, I have to take exception here. What NJ has been telling Police Chiefs to do (deny on grounds of lack of JN), telling Superior Court Judges to do (deny on grounds of lack of JN), telling Appeal court Judges to do (deny on grounds of lack of JN), and telling the NJ Supreme Court to do (deny on grounds of lack of JN) has just been shown to be unconstitutional from the day it was written - the 2nd Amendment was never changed in all that time so it's meaning has not changed in all that time. There have been countless attempts to explain the plain language of the 2nd Amendment to all these people for decades, but they have persisted in pushing their illegal scheme. Now I am really struggling to understand why the people of New Jersey should patiently wait for the same people who have been enforcing their illegal scheme to come up with a new scheme, when the simplest and most expedient solution is for them to: Just. Stop. Doing. It.