Mr.Stu

...but still drives a Kia Soul

As Dan Schmutter said on your show. A superior court judge who gets one of these applications across his desk will be in a bind. I am perfectly happy to make them squirm after denying us our rights for decades. In my view they have to have been deliberately ignorant to fail to understand the plain language in the 2nd Amendment to keep denying people over and over again, no matter how many times it was explained in legal briefs. I'd be just fine if they were thrown in jail for breaking their oath to uphold the Constitution. The 2nd Amendment didn't change today. It was just made undeniably clear that JN has been illegal all along. Any further denying of our rights is inexcusable.

Since I was already denied in 2018, for me it is just checking yes instead of no for 1 question and filling in 4 more boxes. No big deal. I'm going to submit ASAP as the background check is likely to be stretched out to the maximum 60 days, or more anyway. Maybe in 2 months TPTB will have figured out they don't have any wriggle room left.

The application is not online - you still need to submit the paper form in triplicate. When I applied through NJSP back in 2017 they sent me to Morphotrack again for the fingerprints. I was told at that time that that would initiate the national background check too. I got my quals done with Robert Bajor who is listed on the NJSP web site. He gave me a completed RPO form which I do not know will be accepted for non RPO applications. He did say that if I needed it in a different format, he would be happy to sign that too.

I have bought a few different holsters over the years. Some for competition and some for carry. The most comfortable IWB style I find is the leather/kydex hybrid holsters. I have a couple of Comp-tac MTAC holsters which are great but do not accommodate a light. I recently got a Cross Breed LD2.0 for my Glock 19 with TLR-1HL which carries very nicely too, but they don't list one for a VP9. I am less in favor of the Bravo Concealment holsters as the sweat guard is very narrow and I find the rear sight digs into me too much.

NJ law is clearly unconstitutional. I have no issue seeing a Superior Court Judge squirm as they try to figure out if they should uphold JN and break their oath of office, or allow a permit and piss off the powers that be in NJ. ETA: There is typically one 'gun judge' in each county that handles all the permit applications. I have no sympathy for someone who has repeatedly shat on people's rights for years.

They can pass whatever they like. Whether it stands up to judicial scrutiny is another matter. Their so-called laws will be in force until a judge throws them out. Sadly, there is no consequence for politicians to do this, even though they swear to uphold the Constitution when they take office.

Do that before you shoot your quals.

I did my quals 10 days ago. I'll submit my app next week, once I have collected 3 signatures and made a decision on how snarky I'm going to be in my "letter of need"

Thanks - fixed in original

It is right at the end of option 2 1. Completion of a firearms training course substantially equivalent to the firearms training approved by the Police Training Commission as described by N.J.S.A. 2C:39-6j; 2. Submission of an applicant's most recent handgun qualification scores utilizing the handgun(s) he or she intends to carry as evidenced by test firings administered by a certified firearms instructor of a police academy, a certified firearms instructor of the National Rifle Association, or any other recognized certified firearms instructor; or 3. Passage of any test in this State's laws governing the use of force administered by a certified instructor of a police academy, a certified instructor of the National Rifle Association, or any other recognized certified instructor.

I'm not assuming anything, but I do know they can't just change them on a whim. The NJAC has a process which must be followed to make any changes - and that includes drafting the change, publishing it in the NJ Register, waiting a required period for public comment followed by a review. That all takes time and I'm planning to get my application in next week.

Can't you just take the win? Some sage advice - "Don't go borrowing trouble"

A good indication of being qualified would be to shoot the NJ Police HQC1 or HQC2 course of fire. Details are here: https://www.state.nj.us/lps/dcj/agguide/firearms2001.pdf

JFCOAB! Will some of you please just stop spouting conjecture and look up what you need to do? Read this and read it again if you don't get it the first time. Pay particular attention to part b) - you have to satisfy ONE of the THREE requirements. Number 2 is a shooting qualification. You don't need to do a class at all - assuming you can shoot already. If you can't pass the shooting qualification today, walking onto the range cold with no warm-up, I strongly recommend getting basic firearms and marksmanship training before even thinking of carrying in public. Having your gun on you does jack shit if you don't know how to use it without hitting things other than your target.

I know it's hard to believe, but NJ was not chomping at the bit to update their forms and procedures.

The statutes and Admin Code tell you what you need. I will be scrutinizing them and getting my app in ASAP. Making assumptions based on what other States require is folly.

I'm working on it. I have a contact that does RPO quals, but he uses a form specific to RPO - I passed BTW. I am working on getting a more generalized form signed by him.

It is a paper form and you need to submit supporting documentation, such as your shooting qualification.

If CR is not amenable to such a meet-up, we could fire up another clay day at one of the WMAs. There are lots of us that have hunting licenses.

You're missing the narrative - the gun did it. You can't lock up Bob. Bob's a great guy!

The definition in NJ predates 2013 by a long way. They updated it a to make it worse, but even when it was 15 rounds it still included the underlined text

My plate carrier identifies as a weighted exercise vest.

The key word in the statute is "continuously." As you have to remove the mag, rotate it and then re-insert it, there is no way anyone of sound mind could think that this meets that requirement. I have always had my doubts about the statute anyway. How can anything be "continuously" fed into a semi-automatic? That would be a harder sell, and I don't have the funds to be a test case.

I wrote to the NJ legislature critters: