DeerSlayer

I spoke with Stephen Stamboulieh today, he read this thread. But can't comment because he's not a premier member. He is willing to set up a 10 person conference call to field everyone's questions and concerns about the case. Whomever is interested sound off below and let's come up with a time that work's for everyone. This way you can all ask him direct questions pertaining to the case strategy. He's very willing to do so.

I can bring those too if you want. got a Saiga too.The UTAS is a nightmare, we'll spend the entire afternoon trying to get the jammed shells out of it.

If I come I'm bringing 4 O/U's.

Those are all good practices. And it's ok, not everyone is an optimist. I'm not butt hurt over anything. You do you, at least you're doing that. I personally think ANJRPC is a waste of my money, but I retain my membership because I like Cherry Ridge. If they didn't have the range I wouldn't support them financially. I'm more of an NJ2AS guy.

Lol so your plan is: don't try anything accept what we're given. And hopefully some other state defeats justifiable need for us? Or just move? Or there is no plan, and we should just complain that our state sucks on the Internet? Sounds cool...

NJ gun forums isn't frequently visited by anyone in PO6. Their website contains all the information about their group. If someone is further interested they can attend a meeting if they wish. Regardless of who posts about their ideas here, there's always someone or multiple people with negative comments, the SAPA group thread is full of bullshit posts as well. All that I ask is what are the people doing with their negativity to help the fight? Everyone has an opinion here, but I'm not seeing any kind of action... Safecon was cool, I commend you for organizing a great event. But did it restore our carry rights? Drake really screwed us, like I said above. Now that's a ruling that needs to be overcome. The incompetence from Drake was "reckless"! Those were your buddies, that caused that debacle. It's not about filing lawsuits for no reason. There's a definite reason. You just don't seem to care enough to find out the answers you seek, so why should I waste my time explaining it? Go to the meeting if you want to know more, they're not at bars btw. The last one was held at RTSP in a conference room. They're dubbed "tavern meetings" similar to what the founders called their meetings when they overthrew British rule, mostly discussed at the famous green draggon tavern. Check out the lawyers Facebook posts, and his website as well for updates if you're interested. Here's today's update: http://www.sdslaw.us/single-post/2016/08/19/New-Jersey-Strikes-Back-Files-its-Motion-to-Dismiss-in-Almeida-et-al-v-Conforti-et-al

That's pretty much the plan. So what's everyone else's plan to restore carry rights here? And what's your organization actively doing about it, is my question to all the naysayers?

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For sale sign is on my lawn. I'm with you on that. I can move 24 miles west to America, I still need to come here every day to run my business, so I still have some interest in NJ going shall issue as well.

Probably in South or central jersey. Next time the lawyer flies out to NJ. Soon. Are you on Facebook?

You all really need to make a PO6 tavern meeting. They will explain everything, much better than I can convey the message here. If you can make it to one, I highly recommend it. It's a couple hours of your lives, and a Q&A session afterwards.

Once they get issued, the next guys in line have no credible threats I'm aware of. Just "self defense" That will be the point when the case will continue through the federal courts on appeals, with the next plantiffs to get a ruling on the constitutional credibility of Justifiable need. Because chances are they won't meet the NJ definition. Albert and Michael getting their permits will be the easy part, the hard part will follow. But every movement needs a starting point, and the ball is now rolling... definitely not supposed to act like this never happened before, we know it has in the past. But what this is illustrating in the long term to the federal court is that, even if you do have justifiable need which is now proven and documented by the Alberts case, the state of NJ still doesn't issue, unless you sue the state in federal court. Thus providing proof that NJ denies people that meet their own standards for a permit. Thus their entire system is a sham, and needs to be struck down as a bullshit scheme to keep everyone from obtaining a permit. That's when the court will order a new system be put into place like they did in Illinois with McDonald. That's the angle of this suit, and what makes it different from all the rest before it. Same idea as Drake, different strategies. With the right minds behind Drake, we could have had a decision back when Scalia was still in the Supreme Court. Unfortunately the lawyers behind that case screwed up, and now we have to overcome that hurdle. BTW John have you, and Albert kissed, and made up yet? I hate to see in-fighting within our circle of associates. You're both intelligent members of this community of ours, it's a shame we can't all be cordial with each other. Forgive and forget, concentrate on a common goal together.

I'm guessing his permit is unrestricted, since gang bangers can leave Newark to come to his house, and kill him and his family, as they've threatened to do. But I don't know that for sure.

No not all of the 6 work in shitholes. Albert is actually the only one of them. Michael is a civilian defense contractor that has access to top secret documents at times. He works in Wharton at Picatinny Arsenal. Isis threats, and the fact that he's retired military, are his reason for justifiable need.

I'm a Plummer I drive around NJ at all hours of the day & night, in all kinds of places. Sometimes with large amounts of cash on me. Beating two crack heads breaking into my work truck with a 24" aluminum pipe wrench, during a 2AM emergency service call isn't my idea of a good time. But it's happened... I think I have justifiable need, but that's only my opinion. Contact PO6 on their website or join their Facebook groop, and ask if you can join the fight if you've been denied. That's how this group started.

Yeah, the media is totally looking to push a pro 2A story... they would probably spin it like this: "Pro 2nd amendment White gun nuts, in fear of Black Lives Matter protests, are petitioning the court demanding consealed carry rights in NJ." And it would be a 30 second blurp on the 5 o'clock news.

It's the party of 6, there are 4 others waiting already to jump in when Albert and Michael get their permits. And beyond that, anyone that has applied and been denied. There's a lot of us.

If he had the right lawyer from the get go he would have had his permit in a month like he just got. That's the kicker. Like I said apply, get denied then join the case. Your age and dual citizenship means nothing. You're a legal age adult with a pretty good reason for obtaining a permit. Best part is, the case is already going so you can just jump in. When they need another plantiff. The legwork is done, and the team is hired.

I get it, I feel the same way. One day the allies will free us. In the meantime let's keep digging that escape tunnel. Hey anyone seen Steve McQueen around?

So I've learned first that you can get a Saiga in .410 I had no idea they came chambered in anything other than 12g. Next I learned you can have a relationship with a barbie doll, and tell the world about it. I didn't know anyone over built walls like that anywhere unless it was for an underground bunker. And I also learned that in Greece you can own a Semi Auto shotgun with an adjustable stock and pistol grip. But in NJ we cant... because we don't actually live in America, we live in a communist state that claims to be part of America.

No one is celebrating, except Albert a little probably. I just updated that the judge issued his permit as per the law teams request while the case is underway. We can celebrate when every lawful NJ resident, has the option of open or consealed carry, with or without permit.

The case is still going, the lawyer put in a request that both plantiffs be issued permits during the case. Albert was granted his. Michael Tummineli was not. So the case is still moving forward, it's not closed, its not ended, it's not going away. This is the result of a good lawyer, fighting the way this case should be fought. I know it's difficult to believe that a lawyer within a month of taking on a NJ carry case, could get someone their permit so quickly. But it's because you're used to seeing shit 2A litigation in this state, for so many years. This is the reason this law team was chosen for this case.

So apply, get denied. Then join the PO6 lawsuit.

He's not the sole plantiff on this case. The lawsuit moves forward.

We can all join the suit if need be. As things move along. BTW Google Stephen Stamboulieh esq. He's one of the main attorneys handling the case. Look at the 2A cases he's won federally. The guy's the real deal. He's suing the ATF on behalf of his state over NFA items. And is making some serious progress. You don't have to believe if you don't want to. But I met him, and he's not a bullshitter he's pretty real and extremely serious about this case.